On 02/19/2013 01:16 PM, Knurpht wrote:
> like you’re getting if
> you just rent a traditional webspace account.
now obvious to me that is what i do…thx
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dd
Thanks for the information and it is possible, given that I have root access to my VPS.
Thanks for the information and nice discussion. Since it will likely be a month before I switch, I might try to upgrade it straight to 12.3 before I install my apps that I run.
I am moving to a new VPS host(nosupportvpshosting.com) and since they offer an opensuse image I figured I might as well do that. On my current host I use Centos and really don’t like it and since my development machines are opensuse and I am used to its tools and quirks I might as well use that.
Yeah, VPS is far different and better than shared hosting. It costs a bit more and IMO is worth every penny.
On my Centos image, I am using virtualmin to manage some of the more common tasks, but it does not support opensuse and says to not even try to run it on an OS that is not on the supported list. Is there a decent one(and not PHP based) that works well on opensuse? I use it to create email accounts and greylisting, subdomains and their basic functionalities(install SSL certificate,set up users, etc), view bandwidth, cpu, memory usage. Pretty much everything not directly related to my projects which are rails and java server based.
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:48:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2013-02-19 05:36, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> I assume that if they provide a Linux version with a modified kernel
>>> it
>>> > is for a reason.
>> Maybe, I dunno. The OP asked if he could upgrade it, and if he has
>> root access, technically, he can. Anything else is between the OP and
>> his provider.
>
> Ok, technically only. But that’s where I have doubts, if they provide a
> special kernel, for reasons I don’t know; I thought that in those cases
> you simply could not upgrade to a version the provider does not directly
> supply, because it doesn’t work (or somethings do not work). Like
> hooking to their control interface.
We have no reason to know if they have a special kernel or not, Carlos.
We answer the questions that are asked, and the question was “if I want
to upgrade from 11.4 to 12.2, what’s the best way to do it?”
“So the answer is YES, you can, and it’s strongly recommended to go
through 12.1. If you have customizations or other things that we don’t
know about because you haven’t told us, then that’s not our fault or
problem.”
Really, there is absolutely NO need to argue or debate about things we
don’t know about because we haven’t been told - and we’re not playing 20
questions to find out.
If you want to put those questions to the OP and come to a different
conclusion, by all means, do so. But don’t sit there and criticize an
answer because I haven’t thought through every possible and conceivable
exception and reason why such an upgrade might not work.
Again, speaking from my experience (having upgraded systems from 11.4 to
12.1 and then to 12.2), yes, it works, and you do it the way I described.
Jim
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
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On 2013-02-20 06:11, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:48:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Ok, technically only. But that’s where I have doubts, if they provide a
>> special kernel, for reasons I don’t know; I thought that in those cases
>> you simply could not upgrade to a version the provider does not directly
>> supply, because it doesn’t work (or somethings do not work). Like
>> hooking to their control interface.
>
> We have no reason to know if they have a special kernel or not, Carlos.
> We answer the questions that are asked, and the question was “if I want
> to upgrade from 11.4 to 12.2, what’s the best way to do it?”
>
> “So the answer is YES, you can, and it’s strongly recommended to go
> through 12.1. If you have customizations or other things that we don’t
> know about because you haven’t told us, then that’s not our fault or
> problem.”
>
> Really, there is absolutely NO need to argue or debate about things we
> don’t know about because we haven’t been told - and we’re not playing 20
> questions to find out.
>
> If you want to put those questions to the OP and come to a different
> conclusion, by all means, do so. But don’t sit there and criticize an
> answer because I haven’t thought through every possible and conceivable
> exception and reason why such an upgrade might not work.
I’m not criticizing an answer. I don’t understand at all your attitude.
I’m simply wondering, in public, because I have heard of cases when
replacing or upgrading the system is simply not possible because the
provider does not allows it or uses special kernels and pieces. I’m, in
all honesty, trying to assist and wondering if this can affect the OP.
I do not understand why you don’t like this. I honestly don’t.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:23:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> I’m not criticizing an answer. I don’t understand at all your attitude.
>
> I’m simply wondering, in public, because I have heard of cases when
> replacing or upgrading the system is simply not possible because the
> provider does not allows it or uses special kernels and pieces. I’m, in
> all honesty, trying to assist and wondering if this can affect the OP.
>
> I do not understand why you don’t like this. I honestly don’t.
Sorry, long day yesterday and little sleep the night before.
From in here, though, it does feel like you go out of our way to find
something wrong with the answers I provide, no matter how detailed the
answer is. The way you phrase things comes across as criticism, and it
is an irritant.
Certainly there might be legal ramifications to doing the upgrade - I
assume that the OP is aware of the terms and conditions of a contract he
signed with a hosting provider, and that’s not something I need to worry
about in providing a technical answer.
It’s the same sort of thing if someone asks a question about using
Transmission or Vuze - I don’t get into the legality of downloading
copyrighted content when trying to help someone with a torrent client.
If they don’t tell me “hey, I’m trying to download this movie/ripped CD/
whatever”, I assume they’re using it for legal purposes, and the
ramifications of using it for illegal purposes are on them.
The same applies here. vilanye asked about upgrading, I assume he(?)
knows the terms of his agreement with the hosting provider and will deal
with that. Unless he explicitly or implicitly says “my provider
agreement won’t let me upgrade this but I want to anyways, how do I get
around this legally binding agreement I entered into and what technical
steps do I need to take”, I’m going to go with the assumption that he’s
doing something his agreement lets him do. If he does it and it turns
out it’s not, that’s not my problem, that’s his problem to work out with
the provider.
Jim
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On 02/20/2013 07:04 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> From in here, though, it does feel like you go out of our way to find
> something wrong with the answers I provide, no matter how detailed the
> answer is.
from here it looks like both of you sometimes go way out of your way
to find anything wrong with other’s posting…
i can’t tell you the number of times in the last year i wanted to
say: Boys, stop it! (Take it to PM/email) Both of you know too much
to play testosterone in front of the folks who need your help.
just saying…
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dd
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:17:12 +0000, dd wrote:
> On 02/20/2013 07:04 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> From in here, though, it does feel like you go out of our way to find
>> something wrong with the answers I provide, no matter how detailed the
>> answer is.
>
> from here it looks like both of you sometimes go way out of your way to
> find anything wrong with other’s posting…
>
> i can’t tell you the number of times in the last year i wanted to say:
> Boys, stop it! (Take it to PM/email) Both of you know too much to play
> testosterone in front of the folks who need your help.
>
> just saying…
That is perhaps a fair observation. 
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
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On 2013-02-20 20:17, dd wrote:
> On 02/20/2013 07:04 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> From in here, though, it does feel like you go out of our way to find
>> something wrong with the answers I provide, no matter how detailed the
>> answer is.
>
> from here it looks like both of you sometimes go way out of your way to
> find anything wrong with other’s posting…
I’m really sorry if that’s what people think I do. If that’s how it is
read, I’m failing to express myself correctly.
I simply try to add information, to learn things myself in the process,
not to find wrongs.
> i can’t tell you the number of times in the last year i wanted to say:
> Boys, stop it! (Take it to PM/email) Both of you know too much to play
> testosterone in front of the folks who need your help.
>
> just saying…
I’ll shut up.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
On 02/21/2013 02:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> I’ll shut up.
neither of you should “shut up”, instead if you wanna discuss the
finer points of who knows the most, do it somewhere else–and,
because both of you know more than me, i’d still like to (try to)
follow the discussion because i learn from them…as i guess
others here do…
[from the n00b perspective] the problem is, sometimes the “language
barrier” and “human nature” combine to get wires crossed, even when
(i’m pretty sure) neither of intend such…
i’m way outside my ‘authority’ here, and will now cease.
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dd
Made a call to one of the VPS providers I hire from. They state that customized kernels are used, but rather on the underlying infrastructure, not in the VPS’s. This was about Centos, but the tech people say it would be the same for openSUSE (which they are going to support after this summer).
My question was answered and I ran a little test on my desktop running virtualbox and upgrading step by step went flawlessly.
I don’t know if they are using a custom kernel, I doubt it though because it wasn’t mentioned in their spec page and that would definitely be something that would need to be disclosed on a VPS with root access.
If I screw up my VPS, I can just reinstall easily and just stick to the stock images they provide with only an afternoon lost. As long as I don’t overrun my bandwidth, negatively effect others on the hardware and network or do something illegal, they don’t care what I do on my VPS. Which is the same for every VPS host I have dealt with, except these guys offer zero support outside of hardware issues.
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 19:36:01 +0000, vilanye wrote:
> My question was answered and I ran a little test on my desktop running
> virtualbox and upgrading step by step went flawlessly.
That’s great news, thanks for reporting back.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
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