I just installed openSuse11.04 [gnome DE] on a VB Ubuntu 10.10 host
I’m try to update, a list of additional dependencies comes up
Even after moving I can’t get it high enough on the screen to click OK
Help?
On 06/15/2011 04:36 PM, Garthhh wrote:
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> Even after moving I can’t get it high enough on the screen to click OK
-move the mouse cursor over the window
-hold down Alt
-press and hold down the left click
-move ‘grabbed’ window in the desired direction
-repeat until the button you need is visible…
or use zypper to update
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alt>leftclick
doesn’t let me grab
I unchecked 43 updates so I could move the popup far enough to confirm
& then 20
looks like a bug to me:’(
I had that problem.
Fortunately, I have a wide enough screen. So I went to the controls to rotate my screen 90 degrees. Then I somehow managed to click the button. Moving the mouse that way is very unnatural.
The next time the updater came up, the list was smaller, and I could get to the button without having to rotate the screen. There was also an option “don’t show this screen again”. I used that, and have not been bothered with the problem since then.
Other alternatives:
Use online update in Yast. Unfortunately, the updater shows some packages that don’t show up in online update, so that did not shorten the screen enough for me to be able to fix things on the next try.
Or, install KDE. Run the updates with Kpackagekit which, for all of its problems, doesn’t have that one that shows up in gnome. If you can get the updates done, then at a future time with few updates, you will be able to turn off that screen in the gnome updater.
On 06/15/2011 07:36 PM, Garthhh wrote:
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> alt>leftclick
> doesn’t let me grab
sorry, i didn’t know gnome was so deficient.
> looks like a bug to me:’(
and, you should log the bug, please begin here: http://tinyurl.com/nzhq7j
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DenverD wrote:
> On 06/15/2011 07:36 PM, Garthhh wrote:
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>> alt>leftclick
>> doesn’t let me grab
>
> sorry, i didn’t know gnome was so deficient.
>
it works in gnome, I checked that it works now on three machines:
pure gnome 2.32 oS 11.4 (my wife’s laptop)
gnome 2.32 (but also kde installed) my Eee PC (see below)
gnome 2.32 (but also kde installed) on my 11.3 PC (see below)
and the [ALT] + left mouse press + move works on all of them in gnome, so I
doubt this is a bug, but something is wrong in Garthhh’s gnome configuration
or installation
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PC: oS 11.3 64 bit | Intel Core2 Quad Q8300@2.50GHz | KDE 4.6.3 | GeForce
9600 GT | 4GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.6.3 | nVidia
ION | 3GB Ram
alt+left
does in fact work on both my ubuntu 10.10 machines
not working on any of the virtual machines, so it’s particular to my Virtual Box configuration
I did figure a work around on my update problem, by doing it in smaller chunks
I’m distro & DE shopping Unity is not working for me . overall as I learn more about Linux I’m less impressed with Ubuntu
On 06/16/2011 01:06 AM, Garthhh wrote:
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> so it’s particular to my Virtual Box configuration
so, it sounds like a VB bug, huh?
filed it yet?
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I don’t know if it’s a bug or not
there are limitations to VB’s
I’ve been busy working on Osuse & a detour for a buggy ISO for gnome3 on ubun
It’s certainly less than optimal that the updater will overflow the screen for the 1st update
so far I have not found OSuse to be very user friendly. Forcing me on to a terminal [which is buried] to install chromium, the stable chrome in the software installer [repository] is broken
On 06/16/2011 09:06 AM, Garthhh wrote:
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> so far I have not found OSuse to be very user friendly.
heh! it is perfectly userfriendly to me…since i am used to it…i
tried *buntu and found it not user friendly–WAIT, no it was just
something different that i wasn’t used to.
> Forcing me on to a terminal [which is buried]
where do you expect to find one?
type Alt+F2 and type xterm enter
or, type Ctrl+Alt+Fn (where n=1 to 6) and then press Ctrl+Alt+F7 to
return to the GUI
or, go Menu > System > Terminal
or, put a terminal icon where you want/expect it…
personally i prefer Yakuake which drops down from the top of the screen
with an F12 push (and, hides with another F12), install with YaST and
go…oh wait, that is for KDE, well if you have the kde basics
installed, it should work…OH try guake
> to install chromium, the stable chrome
> in the software installer [repository] is broken
really? i don’t now find a Chrome browser in any openSUSE repos, so i
wonder where you found a broken one…
i’m running “google-chrome-stable 11.0.696.68-84545” which i think i
installed by clicking on download at the Google download site and then
specifying to use “Install/Remove Software” (which is YaST) and it works
(no hidden terminal ‘forced’ on me)…
its just a matter of learning your way around in a new system…
anyway, we say: Have a lot of fun.
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> so far I have not found OSuse to be very user friendly.
heh! it is perfectly userfriendly to me…since i am used to it…i
tried *buntu and found it not user friendly–WAIT, no it was just
something different that i wasn’t used to.
sure I’m also looking with an eye towards what I will suggest for friends & family. They are generally looking for a very XP like experience. if they have problems they call me. about the time it gets beyond point n click, I have to show up 
> Forcing me on to a terminal [which is buried]
where do you expect to find one?
type Alt+F2 and type xterm enter
on the control center
I don’t want to remember keyboard shortcuts or do searches
that is part of why I’m looking to migrate
the Unity DE
or, type Ctrl+Alt+Fn (where n=1 to 6) and then press Ctrl+Alt+F7 to
return to the GUI
or, go Menu > System > Terminal
or, put a terminal icon where you want/expect it…
personally i prefer Yakuake which drops down from the top of the screen
with an F12 push (and, hides with another F12), install with YaST and
go…oh wait, that is for KDE, well if you have the kde basics
installed, it should work…OH try guake
I have a KDE test running on
Mageia the mandriva fork
Kde has some good points & may ultimately be the way I go
> to install chromium, the stable chrome
> in the software installer [repository] is broken
really? i don’t now find a Chrome browser in any openSUSE repos, so i
wonder where you found a broken one…
*I tried to install straight from the google site
wouldn’t open
I went to new software GUI typed in chrome
there are 3 versions including stable
uninstalled/reinstalled a few times
did a web search
found the commands
installed chromium
picasa
I haven’t tried to install Google Earth yet
Clementine also has a unique path to installation
which required a bit of fussing around to get er done
I’ll work on the real reason for trying Osuse
Gnome3 *
i’m running “google-chrome-stable 11.0.696.68-84545” which i think i
installed by clicking on download at the Google download site and then
specifying to use “Install/Remove Software” (which is YaST) and it works
(no hidden terminal ‘forced’ on me)…
its just a matter of learning your way around in a new system…
anyway, we say: Have a lot of fun.
I’m having a bit more “fun” than I’d hoped for ;D
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Caveat
On 06/16/2011 04:06 PM, Garthhh wrote:
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> I’m having a bit more “fun” than I’d hoped for ;D
of course you are!
if you expected to crank up openSUSE and it replicate the XP or *buntu
that you (or friends and family) are used to…
like, i tried to figure out Win7 (which came on the machine i’m now
using) and it was frustrating, confusing, and very not user friendly!
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this notebook started out as a vista box
windows “experts” kept telling me I wasn’t doing it right
the coming Unity DE & it’s lack of functionality, started me distro & DE shopping
Ubun little pissing contest with Gnome, reveals some organizational weirdness
I have some time to figure out which way I would like to go
I used mint for some time, but never could get grsync to work across my home network, the community was not as open as I would like
an inclusive community is a big part
I don’t really want to be mucking around with configuration files & dropping into terminals to do set ups
I’ll have to spend some time to see if
The Juice is Worth the Squeeze
On 06/16/2011 09:06 PM, Garthhh wrote:
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> The Juice is Worth the Squeeze
thats a good line…i’ve not seen before…thanks…
so, lets talk about configuration files: most of the normal stuff a user
might need to configure is done automatically (like configuring the
video to work), or is pretty darn easy (once you know where to look or
read the documentation to learn where to look) and is almost always
available in the GUI…
for example: about five years ago a grandmother lady i knew (running XP,
and always MS from her first day on a computer) asked me to help her buy
and set up a new computer…i bought a cheapo off the shelf with no
operating system installed, and loaded her up with openSUSE 10.2 and did
NOT give her the root password…
i told her it was a lot like XP, but some differences (like use Firefox
instead of IE, and Thunderbird instead of Outhouse, and and and)…and i
gave her a little booklet that came with (no kidding) Red Hat 7.1 that
explained how the desktop worked…and, told her “Have a lot of fun.”
and oh by the way, don’t worry about viruses, malware, key loggers etc
etc etc
she had some questions and called and i answered most on the phone…a
couple of weeks later i drove up, spent the afternoon answering and
demonstrating (and had a nice meal)…
a month later she told me she had been to little tea party with her old
friend and was bragging about how she didn’t have to have Norton
anymore…and, the software was all free and so simple…and FAST…
so, i said all of that to say: if you look back to my first para i said
“the normal stuff a user might need”, so now lets talk about the System
Administrator, and his/her tools…even then most things are done
automatically (my network and wireless worked out of the box, all i had
to do was type in my wireless password into a GUI blank–DONE!) or can
be done in YaST…
yes, there are lots of things that can be done FASTER at a command line,
but you usually do not have to do it that way…
ask around…but, always follow my rule: Use what works! (and if XP
works for family and friends [and they have the patience and money to
keep it working] then let’em…
if you like Mint better than openSUSE, then use it–i would.
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Mint is very XP like
I keep getting these HP DC 5000 SFF’s like you would see on a desk at a bank, 2.6ghz, 1g ram or more
a dandy little all purpose machine
I’ve been setting them up for friends & family
after a few mints I noticed most people preferred regular old Gnome
to the mint menu
I had set up a VB so I could use Itunes [xp] to sync a couple of Ipods & the occasional website that requires internet explorer
VB has allowed me to put a bunch of distros through the paces much more thoroughly than with a dual boot or live CD
Ubun is at the whim of canocial & Shuttleworth, bringing a bunch of distros into question
I hadn’t spent any time on the Fedora Suse side of the street
Redhat seems to be a bit more stable as a driving force…
so far magiea seems to have the most user friendly set up
but there are lots of unanswered questions
the biggest being the release schedule
after what’s happened with open office & Mandriva
I’m unsure about Osuse, since it relies on support from Novell
I’m looking for the whole package OS & community
now that I’ve spent a couple of years on Linux systems
I can make a better decision about which way to go
Osuse does have a good reputation & a large/active/vital community
Having to occasionally fuss with terminal & configuration files may not be a deal breaker
Tumble weed interests me
I’ll probably download a nice fresh torrent & do a clean Install on my VB & see if the Chrome stuff goes better
That’s the beauty of installing right from a file
I can just pop back to what I’m used to if there are problems
On 06/17/2011 04:06 PM, Garthhh wrote:
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> Mint is very XP like
> I keep getting these HP DC 5000 SFF’s like you would see on a desk at a
> bank, 2.6ghz, 1g ram or more
> a dandy little all purpose machine
> I’ve been setting them up for friends& family
> after a few mints I noticed most people preferred regular old Gnome
> to the mint menu
>
> I had set up a VB so I could use Itunes [xp] to sync a couple of Ipods
> & the occasional website that requires internet explorer
> VB has allowed me to put a bunch of distros through the paces much more
> thoroughly than with a dual boot or live CD
>
> Ubun is at the whim of canocial& Shuttleworth, bringing a bunch of
> distros into question
>
> I hadn’t spent any time on the Fedora Suse side of the street
> Redhat seems to be a bit more stable as a driving force…
> so far magiea seems to have the most user friendly set up
> but there are lots of unanswered questions
> the biggest being the release schedule
>
> after what’s happened with open office& Mandriva
> I’m unsure about Osuse, since it relies on support from Novell
no more than Fedora relies on Red Hat…or Ubuntu relies on its founders
deep pockets…
anyway, Novell is out of the mix now, Attachmate bought them out months
ago…
my opinion is any or all of them may go broke and go away next week,
decade–so what? so what because ALL of them and their products are
morphing so fast that every six months or so you have to learn where
stuff is…[imho, about the only thing i can say good about MS is that
they move so slowly you can use the same thing for five or ten years]
it was as easy for granny to jump from XP to openSUSE as it would be to
jump off a sinking Ubuntu/Mandriva or whatever ship…
> I’m looking for the whole package OS& community
> now that I’ve spent a couple of years on Linux systems
> I can make a better decision about which way to go
well, nothing is certain except that things will change…if you decide
on openSUSE today you may be disappointed in two years…just like any
other OS you choose to move your friends and family towards, whether it
is FOSS or $$
> Osuse does have a good reputation& a large/active/vital community
> Having to occasionally fuss with terminal& configuration files may not
> be a deal breaker
i think the amount of ‘fuss’ at a terminal is near the same for most
distros, except almost everyone who comes here from any Debian raves
about how killer YaST is…
and, YaST is far superior to the fragmented admin tools provided by Red
Hat/Fedora/CentOS
> Tumble weed interests me
not me, i prefer stable…so much so i used 10.3 for over 16 months
after it passed end of life…
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