Is the provided GUI just a Zypper front end or is sudo zypper dup still the only way? I notice Apper has dissapeared. (Tumblweed.)
Which “provided” GUI do you mean? YaST?
No, that’s no zypper front end.
Actually Yast and zypper are both different front ends to libzypp.
And “zypper dup” is not the only way. “zypper up” should work as well most of the time, and you can use YaST->Software Management or any PackageKit frontend (gpk-update-viewer, Apper, pkcon).
I notice Apper has dissapeared. (Tumblweed.)
No, it hasn’t. It’s still there in the standard Tumbleweed repo.
But Apper is a KDE4 application, and only provides an applet and service for KDE4’s desktop.
So if you are using Plasma5, you won’t get notified of updates.
You still can use Apper, the application, though.
There’s also Muon, which is KF5 based and part of Plasma5 (KUbuntu uses this as updater since a long time), but I don’t know how well it works on openSUSE, or if it does at all. It is not included in the standard Tumbleweed repo (yet?) though, so you would have to install it (and probably the whole Plasma/KF5 from KDE:Frameworks5.
So under KDE4 it is safe to update from the notification bar (Apper I assume?)
Yes, most of the time.
There might be conflicts it cannot resolve though.
Thx fo’ explaining.
On 2015-05-13 14:36, fleamour wrote:
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> So under KDE4 it is safe to update from the notification bar (Apper I
> assume?)
IMHO, the only guaranteed way is “zypper dup” in text mode, or under
tmux or equivalent.
Rationale: the graphical session might crash during some updates, and
zypper is what the developers test.
However, other methods can work (often).
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))
AIUI, this is mostly a problem with GNOME.
It never happened to me here in KDE (in 12 years), not even when upgrading from one openSUSE version to the next via “zypper dup”.
But yes, there can be problems when updating in the running system (because while updating incompatible packages might/will be installed temporarily, also running applications will still use the old code), but there’s no difference between Apper and “zypper dup” regarding this.
On 2015-05-14 12:16, wolfi323 wrote:
> robin_listas;2709807 Wrote:
>> Rationale: the graphical session might crash during some updates, and
>> zypper is what the developers test.
> AIUI, this is mostly a problem with GNOME.
Well, I wouldn’t know because I can’t recall ever doing it myself inside
the graphical session. But I heard of people having the session crash,
with several desktop types.
I also recall a case of somebody updating remotely, and sshd or the
network crashed and he could not continue — which is why tmux was
recommended.
> But yes, there can be problems when updating in the running system
> (because while updating incompatible packages might/will be installed
> temporarily, also running applications will still use the old code), but
> there’s no difference between Apper and “zypper dup” regarding this.
No, there is no difference. Using “zypper dup” inside a graphical
session is also dangerous.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))