Update Firefox or install Chrome on 12.1

What TF is wrong with this 12.1 that I neither can update Firefox from 7.0.1 to 9.0.1 nor install Chrome with more than 30 (thirty!) years of computer experience (DOS, Windoze, Mac) and two semesters of Linux (SUSE!)

This gives me the fits! Chrome install e.g. says
nothing provides lsb >= 4.0 needed by google-chrome-stable-16.0.912.63-113337.i386

There is the SUSE DVD in the virtual drive, Internet connection is working… Am I supposed to know what this lsb is?

(BTW: What did you think to name it 12.1 to fool users it’s not a .0 version?)

Thx for any help
G.

lsb = linux standards base, a compatibility package to allow for different system/app directories used in different distros.

Updating firefox - try adding the mozilla repo and update from that. Chrome, I don’t know nor care.

Your issues are not complex, but they do take some learning on the suse way of doing things.

As for the naming convention, there has been a lot of discussion on this, and after factory/tumbleweed (roling release) the numbering is mostly cosmetic.

For the latest firefox just add this repo:-

Index of /repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_12.1

Chrome requires some additional packages - all of which are included within the 12.1 standard repo:-

Index of /distribution/12.1/repo/oss/suse

Am 15.01.2012 22:36, schrieb gue22:
>
> What TF is wrong with this 12.1 that I neither can update Firefox from
> 7.0.1 to 9.0.1 nor install Chrome with more than 30 (thirty!) years of
> computer experience (DOS, Windoze, Mac) and two semesters of Linux
> (SUSE!)
>
How do you try to update?
From terminal with “zypper up” or “zypper patch”, with yast online
update or with apper?
What is the complete error message you get (I guess it is more verbose
than what you posted).

Maybe you have a glitch with your repositories, can you post the output of


zypper lr -d

?


PC: oS 11.4 (dual boot 12.1) 64 bit | Intel Core i7-2600@3.40GHz | KDE
4.6.0 | GeForce GT 420 | 16GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.7.4 |
nVidia ION | 3GB Ram

On 01/15/2012 10:36 PM, gue22 wrote:
>
> What TF is wrong with this 12.1 that I neither can update Firefox from
> 7.0.1 to 9.0.1

welcome new poster…kinda…

so, how are you trying to “update Firefox from 7.0.1 to 9.0.1” i ask
because if you have the standard openSUSE update repo for 12.1 enabled
and refreshed, and run either YaST > Online Update, or


zypper up -t patch

in a root terminal, it should be pretty much automatic…

> nor install Chrome

how are you trying to install Chrome?

there are others who have blazed this trail and the how-tos are in here:
http://tinyurl.com/7hyufdh

mine installed very easily…i just added the google chrome repo using
YaST > Software Repositories and then used YaST > Software Management to
find and install chrome…

> with more than 30 (thirty!) years of
> computer experience (DOS, Windoze, Mac) and two semesters of Linux
> (SUSE!)

30 years huh? well, my measly 17 years of OS/2 and Linux has ill
prepared me for trying to use the Windows 7 which came pre-installed on
this machine and i tell you the truth, i could NOT figure out how to
install anything! really! it took hours and hours to figure out how to
install a dead simple CD burning program so i could burn a openSUSE 11.4
Live KDE CD and wrench the virus magnet’s grip on may machine!

> This gives me the fits!

i understand! really i do! none of you DOS, Windows or Mac background
will help you one seconds worth…

and, two semesters of linux/suse could easily be taken up just on the
file system and CLI…so, maybe you will find some good use of the stuff
at doc.opensuse.org, which you should find much more user oriented than
(i guess) your semester courses…

> Chrome install e.g. says
> nothing provides lsb>= 4.0 needed by
> google-chrome-stable-16.0.912.63-113337.i386

yep, that means you are not using YaST to install the rpm, because if
you were it would automatically solve the dependencies for you…

> There is the SUSE DVD in the virtual drive,

oh, what does that mean? is openSUSE running in a VM?

> Internet connection is
> working… Am I supposed to know what this lsb is?

of course no one is born knowing what lsb is, that is why someone
invented search: http://tinyurl.com/89mpv9s

> (BTW: What did you think to name it 12.1 to fool users it’s not a .0
> version?)

no, the numbering system here in no way reflects the ‘maturity’ of
anything…12.3 could be as “earth shaking” as 11.0 or 15.0…


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http://tinyurl.com/DD-Software
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On 2012-01-15 22:36, gue22 wrote:
> (BTW: What did you think to name it 12.1 to fool users it’s not a .0
> version?)

12.1 is simply the version that comes 8 months after than 11.3. There are
no major releases.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

Thanks, DenverD, for the detailed followup!

To distill a whole series of novels to the bottom line:
I suspect the VMware Player’s “Smart” Installer has messed with the Repository list. I found download/opensuse.org/update12.1/ in the Hyper-V install.

From that point on update would actually WORK (as opposed to what Apper was telling <aaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggh>), which naturally took care of Firefox update.

I found out from YaST Software Management that lsb WAS actually installed, but in version 2.0 and not in the >=4.0 the installer was looking for with the latest stable Chrome.rpm.
Knowing that, I simply ignored the mismatch in Soft Man and Chrome was up.

I could lament endlessly about this openSUSE 12.1 mess and call it worse than MiRKoSoft (and draw a lot of comments for sure <grrrin>), but suffice to say:

What TF is this YaST vs. Personal Settings (or whatever its code name or alias may be) competition and interference (Network settings) about?
NOT Remembered passwords…
Apper showing updates, but failing to install them…
HIDDEN additional (security) dialogs…

OMG
G.

You can stop adding all sort of emotional expressions, shortened or not, to your factional messages. Many people will skip your posts without even mentioning it. And you are very close to hurting the T&C of these Forums.

Apart from that your message is a bit of a mess to me, but I hope the next remarks may help you, not being too far off from what you try to say.

. Do not use apper.

. YaST is the system management tool of openSUSE. Preferred by many for many tasks, software management not being the last of them.

. Personal settings are I guess, something you see in your personal desktop and are what they say. Personal configuration for a end users desktop.

For the rest, if you are realy interested in getting serious answers to your questions, try to formulate one at a time/thread, in the most fitting subforum and with a good title that is an advertisement to make your problem interesting enough for volunteer gurus to read it.

On 2012-01-16 14:56, gue22 wrote:
> What TF is this YaST vs. Personal Settings (or whatever its code name
> or alias may be) competition and interference (Network settings) about?
> NOT Remembered passwords…

Please remember that the fora is made of users helping users. Gross
language will not help you. So… what is the question in your paragraph?


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

On 01/16/2012 02:56 PM, gue22 wrote:
>
> Thanks, DenverD, for the detailed followup!

welcome…

> OMG

ok, you have already two good answers…and, just to tip you off you
border on finding yourself without help if you don’t stop kicking sand
our faces…we here are USERS trying to help other users…if you have
complaints about the software developers choices then please go
somewhere else and kick all the sand you wish…

so, the deal is that there is this distribution named openSUSE on to the
top of you have the FREEDOM to choose which desktop environment you want
to use…KDE is only one of several major desktops…and, the kind
folks who make that desktop have been struggling for several years now
trying to make a “package manager” and a “system manager” which will be
loved on all the various distribution…and, while they are getting a
little better every year they have not yet come close to an innovation
by S.u.S.E., and later SuSE, and then SUSE named “Yet another Setup
Tool” (aka: YaST) which pre-dates KDE by some years and is just the bees
knees of Linux “package managers” and a “system setup managers” so:

  1. drive a wooden stake through the evil heart of Apper (the earlier
    name for it was packagekit, which i UNinstalled on my 11.3 & 11.4) and
    always use YaST > Software Update

  2. and, yes the Personal Settings has some areas of over lap with the
    pre-existing YaST and mostly if you use the Personal Settings for KDE
    stuff, and YaST for underlying system stuff you are good to go…and, no
    i can not give you a list of which is which…but what i would recommend
    is if you wanna do something look first in Personal Settings - Configure
    Desktop, and if you do not find it there the ASK here or carefully
    search though the various YaST secret passages…

  3. if you do not like the way Network Manager handles passwords, then
    ASK about it in the networking forum…

now, if all of that is too complicated for you and you wanna complain
about it, do that somewhere else, please (we have a soap box forum where
you can complain loud and long…and i’ll be happy to meet you there
and ask: What have YOU done to help the cause of free and open software,
other than complain?)


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http://tinyurl.com/DD-Software
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Thanks again for trying to explain, DenverD!
ad 1 and 2) This YaST / Apper situation was very confusing setting up 12.1 (especially network). In 11.x I didn’t run into this at all.

Though educated, still a beginner in this huge field, I wouldn’t (have) dare(d) to uninstall Apper.

DenverD said: “you wanna complain about it, do that somewhere else, please (we have a soap box forum where you can complain loud and long…and i’ll be happy to meet you there and ask: What have YOU done to help the cause of free and open software, other than complain?)”

I’m trying hard to use it and to do HPC dev for it, if not on it.
Thx
G.

On 01/16/2012 07:56 PM, gue22 wrote:

> Thanks again for trying to explain, DenverD!

i’m trying!!

> ad 1 and 2) This YaST / Apper situation was very confusing setting up
> 12.1 (especially network). In 11.x I didn’t run into this at all.

yep, 12.1 with its 3.x kernel and systemd (rather than systemv) and
other stuff going on under the covers has been (so far) a pretty big
bucket of hyperactive worms knotted all together…[since my patience
is less than yours, i’m still running 11.4 and hoping a few more things
will get smoothed out (by the Early Adopters) before i have to install
newer…]

> Though educated, still a beginner in this huge field, I wouldn’t (have)
> dare(d) to uninstall Apper.

i think most folks just disable it somehow…you can ask around, but i
don’t think there is any downside to having YaST yank it out by the roots.

>
> I’m trying hard to use it and to do HPC dev for it, if not on it.

in that case: i THANK YOU (but still, give us users a sand free blink
please…)

and come back anytime…(i know it would be good if you could both use
it and develop on it…i know our devs made a BIG DEAL about trying
to make openSUSE the choice of The Developers of Whatever…when you
get ready to tell them where and how they miss the boat, i’ll tell you
where to find them…well, here:

bugzilla http://tinyurl.com/nzhq7j
FATE https://features.opensuse.org/
mail lists/irc http://tinyurl.com/4scnqov


DD http://tinyurl.com/DD-Caveat http://tinyurl.com/DD-Hardware
http://tinyurl.com/DD-Software
openSUSE®, the “German Engineered Automobiles” of operating systems!

…since my patience is less than yours, i’m still running 11.4 and hoping a few more things will get smoothed out (by the Early Adopters) before i have to install newer…

Didn´t sound like exactly patient to some ears here, but 12.1 (install) (on VMware) annoyed me big time.

Additionally, there is a bug in 12.1 that prevents install on Windows Virtual PC 7 (which would have been THE no-brainer on Windoze 7).

I would have been as conservative as you, BUT I made the plunge, because 12.1 was the first and ONLY Linux where Integration Services for Hyper-V WORKED - SECRETELY, SURPRISINGLY, right “out of the box”, so I can Remote Desktop to it. <g>

Could it be that MiRKoSoft supplies the add on only for Red Hat, cuz Novell recently sued them? <g>

BTW: Double-clicking Chrome RPM starts Apper by default, which hangs with “License Agreement Required”.

Will this change in 12.2 now that Google reportedly continued the $ per Firefox contract. :wink:

Because CUDA doesn´t work in VMs (except Parallels Extreme Desktop) I installed it thirdly natively on a Tosh quad core notebook.

Good that I found out that I can install with YaST SW Man by right clicking on the RPM in Dolphin (but not in D/L Manager <sigh>) - without changing assingnment defaults.

…i know our devs made a BIG DEAL about trying to make openSUSE the choice of The Developers of Whatever…when you get ready to tell them where and how they miss the boat…

Currently some NVIDIA tools only work on Windoze and Parallel Nsight integrates nicely with Visual Studio. I had to use Eclipse for a little time and I must say I strongly prefer VS.

It is a pity that the HPC tools lag, cuz Win HPC Server is niche and Linux is huge on the big irons. Remarkably SGI advertise openSUSE for their unique boxes because it scales to 4000 cores and 16TB (yes, Tera!) flat memory space with a single OS image!

Maybe you can give the devs a hint, now that NVIDIA changed their CUDA compiler from proprietary to modular open spec (LLVM?).

Thx
G.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:06:02 +0000, gue22 wrote:

> Could it be that MiRKoSoft supplies the add on only for Red Hat, cuz
> Novell recently sued them? <g>

Highly unlikely, since Microsoft signed an agreement with Novell while
that lawsuit was still pending - and in fact, at the signing
announcement, that lawsuit was mentioned in passing.

Jim

Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:06:02 +0000, gue22 wrote:

> BTW: Double-clicking Chrome RPM starts Apper by default, which hangs
> with “License Agreement Required”.
>
> Will this change in 12.2 now that Google reportedly continued the $ per
> Firefox contract. :wink:

No, that has nothing to do with Google/Firefox. It is a known bug with
Apper, reported a few times in these forums.

Use zypper or YaST to install and you should be fine. You may have to
download the RPM rather than try to install it from Firefox.

Jim


Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

>…hangs with “License Agreement Required”…known Apper bug…

Use zypper or YaST to install and you should be fine. You may have to download the RPM rather than try to install it from Firefox.

I did do exactly that, but the thread is getting long burying the paragraph.

On the constructive side for a closure:
When I tried to edit network settings in YaST it told me the name of some other prg that owned the settings, but I couldn´t find the quoted name anywhere, which was very tiring.

It sure did NOT refer me to Apper or Personal Settings or Configure Desktop which would have been easy to find. I had to dig in the docs first.

Sorrily I can´t repro the quoted name, but it´d be nice if this kink could be ironed out.

On an additional note: “Personal Settings” or “Configure Desktop” in my mind are absolute misnomers for what´s piled in this group. Didn´t help finding the way around.
Thx
G.

On 2012-01-17 10:06, gue22 wrote:
> On the constructive side for a closure:
> When I tried to edit network settings in YaST it told me the name of
> some other prg that owned the settings, but I couldn´t find the quoted
> name anywhere, which was very tiring.

Network manager. It has a different name depending on the desktop you use.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

!Hola!
SUSE and KDE go together for me.

Well, in YaST it naturally is the Network Settings item in the Network Devices group.

In the competing Personal Settings or Configure Desktop it´s a no-brainer too: Network Settings item in the Network and Connectivity group.

But YaST referred me to some name I couldn´t find in any menu and it took me some time to realize that all the system controls of the universe, including the kitchen sink, are duplicated in an item called Personal Settings / Configure Desktop.

I´d rather had suspected that I can change the desktop background or theme there, but not much more.
Thx
G.

Just wanted to add as a closing note:

bugzilla openSUSE:Submitting bug reports - openSUSE
FATE https://features.opensuse.org/
mail lists/irc openSUSE:Communication channels - openSUSE

I checked out the links you sent and keep an eye on them, mainly openFATE.

As I have all the machines in a usable state now, I can begin to play around with GPGPU, in particular CUDA C or C++ Thrust lib…

The Hyper-V one will probably be a LAMP test bed for now, but as I had to replace the GPU only last Sat I might be tempted to add openSUSE to multi-boot soon, because only then I can test GPGPU code.

The one right on the metal of the brand new Tosh quad GTX 525M notebook is ready for GPGPU code testing.

The VMware one on my HP production laptop which caused so many headaches might be most important, cuz I can play with tools there any time.

Thanks again for the support
G.

Hey there, Martin,
just wanted to say a final thanks as an extra reply to your post. (The action :wink: was in other branches…)

Maybe you have a glitch with your repositories…

You were on the spot. I have no idea why the VMware install didn´t have the Index of /update/12.1 entry, while the Hyper-V and the physical one have it.

This took care of Firefox and other updates - and circumnavigating an Apper bug (hangs with “License Agreement Required”), finding the YaST alternative (right-click the RPM in Dolphin and Open With) gave me Chrome.
Thx
G.