Update - a bit confused

cliffordjnr · November 28, 2014, 11:32pm

hi

i’m a bit confused by the update process. ive installed 13.2 kde from the official source and i’ve added a few repos, e.g packman, libdvdcss.

when i zypper up i get the following:

sudo zypper up
root's password:
Loading repository data...
Reading installed packages...

The following 6 package updates will NOT be installed:
  amarok gstreamer-0_10-plugin-gnomevfs gstreamer-plugins-good libgstsdp-1_0-0 
  libsox2 sox 

Nothing to do.

now if i zypper dup i get

sudo zypper dup
Warning: You are about to do a distribution upgrade with all enabled repositories. Make sure these repositories are compatible before you continue. See 'man zypper' for more information about this command.
Loading repository data...
Reading installed packages...
Computing distribution upgrade...

The following 2 NEW packages are going to be installed:
  libid3tag0 openSUSE-release-ftp 

The following application is going to be REMOVED:
  Apper 

The following 6 packages are going to be upgraded:
  amarok gstreamer-0_10-plugin-gnomevfs gstreamer-plugins-good libgstsdp-1_0-0 
  libsox2 sox 

The following 33 packages are going to be downgraded:
  apper appmenu-qt bluedevil bluedevil-lang choqok cln digikam-doc 
  gtk2-engine-oxygen gtk2-theme-oxygen kde-gtk-config kio_iso konversation 
  konversation-lang ksshaskpass ktorrent kvkbd lensfun-data libbluedevil2 
  libepub0 libkgeomap-lang liblensfun0 libmediawiki1 libodfgen-0_1-1 
  libqalculate5 libraw10 libtag-extras1 libtelepathy-qt4-2 python3-setuptools 
  python-setuptools skanlite skanlite-doc skanlite-lang synaptiks 

The following 39 packages are going to change vendor:
  amarok                          openSUSE -> http://packman.links2linux.de
  apper                           obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  appmenu-qt                      obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  bluedevil                       obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  bluedevil-lang                  obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  choqok                          obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  cln                             obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  digikam-doc                     obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  gstreamer-0_10-plugin-gnomevfs  openSUSE -> http://packman.links2linux.de
  gstreamer-plugins-good          openSUSE -> http://packman.links2linux.de
  gtk2-engine-oxygen              obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  gtk2-theme-oxygen               obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  kde-gtk-config                  obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  kio_iso                         obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  konversation                    obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  konversation-lang               obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  ksshaskpass                     obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  ktorrent                        obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  kvkbd                           obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  lensfun-data                    obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  libbluedevil2                   obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  libepub0                        obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  libgstsdp-1_0-0                 openSUSE -> http://packman.links2linux.de
  libkgeomap-lang                 obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  liblensfun0                     obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  libmediawiki1                   obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  libodfgen-0_1-1                 obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  libqalculate5                   obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  libraw10                        obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  libsox2                         openSUSE -> http://packman.links2linux.de
  libtag-extras1                  obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  libtelepathy-qt4-2              obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  python3-setuptools              obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  python-setuptools               obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  skanlite                        obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  skanlite-doc                    obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  skanlite-lang                   obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 
  sox                             openSUSE -> http://packman.links2linux.de
  synaptiks                       obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE -> openSUSE 


6 packages to upgrade, 33 to downgrade, 2 new, 39  to change vendor.
Overall download size: 33.9 MiB. Already cached: 6.9 MiB  After the operation, 
additional 126.6 KiB will be used.
Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y)

seems like it would remedy the packages not being upgraded by switching the source, however i assume the zypper dup is a distribution upgrade? would that take me away from 13.2?

a little advice would be appreciated here.

thanks.

robin_listas · November 29, 2014, 2:33am

On 2014-11-28 23:36, cliffordjnr wrote:

> Code:
> --------------------
> sudo zypper up
> root’s password:
> Loading repository data…
> Reading installed packages…
>
> The following 6 package updates will NOT be installed:
> amarok gstreamer-0_10-plugin-gnomevfs gstreamer-plugins-good libgstsdp-1_0-0
> libsox2 sox
>
> Nothing to do.
> --------------------

So? That’s GOOD.

> now if i zypper dup i get

Don’t use dup, unless you have a specific and good reason to do so.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)

gogalthorp · November 29, 2014, 3:22am

Package that are announced not to be installed/updated are often from a different repo So say you have a package from regular repo but the same package may be in packman. And maybe packman is newer but in order to use packman you have to preform a vendor change (read vendor = repo). ie vendors are not changed unless you tell the system to change vendors. So zypper sees that there are newer package and notifies you that these packages won’t be upgraded (because of a different vendor)

You only use dup for a distribution upgrade. or if you happen to be using tumbleweed. Tumbleweed is the cutting edge version of openSUSE and you should know what you are doing if you go there.

caf4926 · November 29, 2014, 5:37am

Maybe you should post your repos list
zypper lr -d

But the behaviour you are seeing is typical

More especially if you have followed the multimedia guide here:
https://forums.opensuse.org/entry.php/160-openSUSE-13-2-Multimedia-Guide

cliffordjnr · November 29, 2014, 8:28am

ok thanks guys that clears up a lot for me. ive switched from debian where i never had to deal with vendor changes at least manually anyway. im assuming vendor change still keeps me on 13.2?

i had installed the multimedia libraries but hadnt perfomed that switch the packman in yast. i’ve now done so and is i zypper up i now only recieve

sudo zypper up
root's password:
Loading repository data...
Reading installed packages...

The following 2 package updates will NOT be installed:
  libmediastreamer_base3 libmediastreamer_voip3 

Nothing to do.

in terms of repositores i just have the standard ones as well as packman and libdvdcss

zypper lr -d
# | Alias                | Name                         | Enabled | Refresh | Priority | Type   | URI                                                          | Service
--+----------------------+------------------------------+---------+---------+----------+--------+--------------------------------------------------------------+--------
1 | ftp.gwdg.de-suse     | Packman Repository           | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/packman/suse/openSUSE_13.2/     |        
2 | libdvdcss repository | libdvdcss repository         | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://opensuse-guide.org/repo/13.2/                         |                    
3 | repo-non-oss         | openSUSE-13.2-Non-Oss        | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | yast2  | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/13.2/repo/non-oss/ |                    
4 | repo-oss             | openSUSE-13.2-Oss            | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | yast2  | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/13.2/repo/oss/     |                    
5 | repo-update          | openSUSE-13.2-Update         | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/update/13.2/                    |                    
6 | repo-update-non-oss  | openSUSE-13.2-Update-Non-Oss | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/update/13.2-non-oss/            |

caf4926 · November 29, 2014, 10:18pm

13.2 yes

It looks fine to me

gogalthorp · November 29, 2014, 10:43pm

Vendors are just another name for repositories so a vendor change means change to another repository.

Since repos can have the same packages but may not be the save build versions you don’t want to mix them that is why zypper does not simply take the newest no matter what repo. This can cause mixed libraries and that leads to trouble with a capital T. So the choice is put into the users capable hands and thus the vendor change functionality