Hi, i just picked up this blog post from Phoronix.
Its kinda sad really and setback for Ubuntu.
But, for anyone who did not read or heart about it, you may want to read it.
[Phoronix] Ubuntu’s Unity Still Crashes A Lot, Usability Problems](http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTMzMw)
Think KDE 4.0 alpha 0.1, versus KDE 4.6. While Cannonical is not Google, but with their backing it will get to an usable state - as long as videochip companies chime in.
I also plan to install Ubuntu 11.04 on an old computer and have a look at it.
This Test by Canonical in Phoronix leads to a not-so-good feeling for me regarding Ubuntu.
In the last days of my Ubuntu usage I got the impression that all this, all this huge amount of users and requests and bugs is simply too much for them to handle. And then on top of that a new user interface…
Of course I hope that they will get Unity into a state that it is actually stable and userfriendly. But seriously: I doubt it.
this 6 months release cycle is too short.
So speaking for me in an egocentric way: I am glad that I left it behind… a friend of me still uses it (right now 10.04 LTS and he is also complaining about the stability and errors…) but at some day he also needs to upgrade to a version with Unity. This will be in 2013… hopefully they have Unity stablelised until then.
I think a test like this was a good idea. The bad part is, that people have problem to do fairly simple things. Broken things can be fixed, although if it so a tight schedule i wonder why they had to cram unity for a release.
I have to make some room on my harddrive to install Ubuntu and see it for myself.
One thing i know. I don’t want to be a programmer working on it. Just imaging the pressure they have right now.
One problem is additionally: they tried to bring some stuff into Gnome 3 as they also did with Gnome 2 (their notify-osd and so on) but Gnome has rejected it. So I think, they originally have planned with Gnome 3, because their release cyle is set like this: 4 weeks after each Gnome release a new Ubuntu will be released.
But after Gnome has rejected the Ubuntu stuff, a big discussion came up, which heated more and more and the result is that Ubuntu started Unity also for desktops. This might be wrong but this is my impression and the summary of all the information I read on blogs and news sites.
So my further impression is: just to fullfill the release cycle, they press on with Unity for the next release. Of course they can not do anything else, because now Gnome 3 is released and they would have to use Gnome 3 with 11.04 if they follow the Gnome release cycle.
If I were them, I would simply delay the next version until october. But on the other hand, with an early release, you get feedback and more information about bugs. So maybe this release will cause a lot of screaming and headache but it is also very very useful because they get information how users like it, and how it performs.
But the openSUSE forums should also prepare for a wave of converts 
I also wouldn´t want to be a Canonical employee right now…
Why don’t they try the way openSUSE (and many other distros) went with KDE4? They offered KDE3 along with KDE4-development-versions starting with 11.0 (if I remember correctly) until 11.2 or 11.3 (I am not sure whether it’s even possible to still install it from the 11.4-KDE3-repo).
Canonical did the same with Kubuntu: once it was called “stable”, they substituted KDE3 with KDE4 without any fallback, although back then KDE4 was far from being mature.
I just don’t get it. Probably they just don’t have enough staff to manage it all.
I agree with gropiuskalle. Why do not they try with openSUSE? openSUSE is the best solution for KDE. I speak generally in KDE.
I’ve tried the alpha and beta of 11.04 but couldn’t seem to feel at home with Unity in it’s present state. In fact I then tried Kubuntu 11.04 and it works quite well but all that drove me to find a KDE distro that was smooth and I ended up back a SuSE 11.4 which just seems to run for me.
I think Conical wanted to get out from under Gnome and thus the birth of Unity but as it stands right now it will need a couple more release cycles to become mature enough to be usable for everyday use. If I had not gone with Suse KDE I most likely would have used XFCE or LXDE. But I not sold on either Gnome 3 or Unity Just don’t really see the need but then I don’t use a netbook or handheld device either.
I think Unity is lovely, hopefully it’ll be as buggy as possible and forced as default - that oughta move a new batch of people to using openSUSE 
Yes, I’m evil.
hmm… I think most of the Ubuntu users who experience bugs and so on will switch over to Mint. Mint is .deb and therefore familiar for most of them. Personally I don´t care if it is .rpm or .deb but a lot of ubuntu´s do because they don´t have so much of a clue whats going on in the Linuxworld.
And the ones with a clue will stay because they figure out how to fix Unity respectivley how they can install plain Gnome 2 on their machine.
But, sure, there will be some new users over here too. Hopefully
Why? Is there some kind of rivalry between openSUSE and Ubuntu? And about what?
Reading such posts makes me wonder how open minded some members of the open source community actually are - if this was my forum, I would at least warn you about your comment that Ubuntu users “don’t have so much of a clue whats going on in the Linuxworld”.
No, I am not a fan of Ubuntu, pretty much the opposite. But a) if I post negative statements about Ubuntu, I can at least add some points to justify those and b) I do not attack the users. I know many Ubuntu users who know much better what’s going on in the Linuxworld than most openSUSE users ever will. Now what? 
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:36:02 +0530, gropiuskalle
<gropiuskalle@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
>
> Why? Is there some kind of rivalry between openSUSE and Ubuntu? And
> about what?
>
> Reading such posts makes me wonder how open minded some members of the
> open source community actually are - if this was my forum, I would at
> least warn you about your comment that Ubuntu users “don’t have so much
> of a clue whats going on in the Linuxworld”.
>
> No, I am not a fan of Ubuntu, pretty much the opposite. But a) if I
> post negative statements about Ubuntu, I can at least add some points to
> justify those and b) I do not attack the users. I know many Ubuntu users
> who know much better what’s going on in the Linuxworld than most
> openSUSE users ever will. Now what?
>
i understood crysantine’s comment as some type of friendly jesting, not
putting down ubuntu for real.
the comment about clueless users i’m afraid applies to all distros – just
look thru’ these forums here. not everybody wants to get into the nuts &
bolts of their operating system, hoping that things will ‘just work.’ i
think that’s perfectly ok; some people do have a life that doesn’t include
monitor & keyboard, after all. ubuntu (which i’ve never tried) was said to
be accomodating them, which seems to be changing now.
–
phani.
There’s always been a sort of friendly/sometimes not so friendly rivalry between different Linux distributions, why do you think we call Ubuntu Ubut-no in IRC
Well if you insist… how many programs do you use today or how many bits of code can you name that came from Canonical?
Yes, they like to keep their stuff to themselves but have no objection from taking from others. Remind you of any company we know?
If you want to complain about Canonicals sharing policy, then discuss that with the guys and girls at Canonical - this kind of “friendly rivalry” is nothing but Kindergarten, really. It’s of no use, it’s potentially offensive and it’s not funny at all either. And by the way, Canonical does not “keep” any stuff (open source, remember? It’s not really possible), but indeed they do not contribute much. I share your raised eyebrow about that, but as far as “taking from others” goes: well, that’s what open source is about. When releasing code with a GPL (or likewise) license, one automatically accepts that it can be taken and tweaked by anyone.
Looking at the development Ubuntu has taken for quite a while now, I am quite glad that Canonical does not contribute that much. So I don’t complain.
gropiuskalle wrote:
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> Why? Is there some kind of rivalry between openSUSE and Ubuntu? And
> about what?
>
> Reading such posts makes me wonder how open minded some members of the
> open source community actually are - if this was my forum, I would at
> least warn you about your comment that Ubuntu users “don’t have so much
> of a clue whats going on in the Linuxworld”.
>
I also cannot understand that and when it comes to the question of skills.
Three of my colleagues are using ubuntu for their work, all of them are
computer scientists and all of them have several years of experience in
their job as developers - so what?
I am the only one using openSUSE, since ubuntu is not my cup of tea.
And still I can have good talks with them about linux and linux problems in
general.
Free and open source should go together with free and open minds.
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On 04/18/2011 01:19 PM, martin_helm wrote:
> Free and open source should go together with free and open minds.
>
yes! +1, let me throw my hat into the ring of:
Use what works.
It is not necessary to demonize non-demons just because they like
‘apt get’ or yum or etc better than ‘zypper in’
which is not to say it is bad to demonize real anti-competitive
demons (like those who fly out of the sulfur smelling pits near Redmond
& Cupertino
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Free and open source should go together with free and open minds.
That sums it up very well.
When I started using openSUSE in 2010, it had quite a different image (at least in german forums). It was considered to be a “n00b-compatible” distribution, because, well, you know: YaST lets you configure everything via a GUI (ew! omg!), while the cooler nerds would always use the command line or an editor. Many users of other distributions even thought that configuring a system via YaST would let you stay in that n00bish state until one would switch to a “real” Linux, although to me it was quite obvious that most of them would be overstrained when trying to figure out some of the more advanced YaST modules. Today openSUSE is easier to configure and use than ever before, yet some (fortunately only some) SuSE-users seem to feel superior (except when they have to work without their beloved tools such as SaX2 ). Funny enough, real coders mostly use an easy to use distribution such as Ubuntu or SuSE, I only know few hackers who stay with for example Gentoo or LFS, because they usually want a simple and reliable environment.
It’s okay to state why one does not like the way a distribution goes. I don’t like Ubuntus ‘sudo’-concept, I find their branding of KDE lacking affection, I don’t like how they introduce commercial things such as a music store - but hey, I don’t have to use it, and I don’t see any reason why to look down and anyone who does.
Oops, that went a little offtopic here. Sorry.
I always thought Ubuntu meant ‘can’t install Debian’ rotfl!rotfl!
Seriously though it’s not a bad distro, but some people seem to treat it like it’s the only linux distro out there without considering others. Though to be fair to Ubuntu at least it gets people interested in Linux so it’s not all that bad.
did you ever think about “lost in Translation”?
I did not mean that as you mean it. You mean: “Ubuntu users are stupid”. Right? I don´t. So who should get the warning now?
Means, for you: don´t put stuff in other peoples mouth which actually relates to yourself because you interprete it like that.
I mean it like I wrote it. A lot of users of Ubuntu don´t care or whatever about whats going on in the Linuxworld. Do they have to? No! I also don´t have so much of a clue whats going on in Linux. Am I a bad user? Maybe. Maybe not. But I know that I don´t need to have a clue about anything and I don´t necessarily need to be classified as stupid therefore. Thats it. And I still think that my statement is true. Even when it also applies to other distros. This does not change it at all, when one looks just at Ubuntu and Unity
Relax, we’re just having a little fun at the expense of our Ubut-no friends