i dumped all suse.de, netiq, opensuse, and attachmate cookies in this (chrome) browser on monday or tuesday last and today am unable to log out…
in PM another user reported the same problem (i think in FF) yesterday…
so, apparently there are three hiccups:
-nntp to http gateway seems to not swing
-subscriptions in the http side seem to not be honored via email
-can’t log out from the http side without dumping cookies (and maybe cache)
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dd
On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 09:26:01 +0000, DenverD wrote:
> so, apparently there are three hiccups:
> -nntp to http gateway seems to not swing
See other thread. 
> -subscriptions in the http side
> seem to not be honored via email
I believe this is a known issue, it seems to be related to posts from the
NNTP side not triggering the subscription.
> -can’t log out from the http side
> without dumping cookies (and maybe cache)
[sigh] We just can win with this one. Some people want to never be
logged out, and it’s not logging them out. Some people want to practice
good security, though (which I fully understand), and can’t.
(NB: The above is said in good humour. 
)
This issue isn’t related to the recent issue, but I’ll pass it along.
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On 06/23/2013 07:03 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> -subscriptions in the http side
>> seem to not be honored via email
>
> I believe this is a known issue, it seems to be related to posts from the
> NNTP side not triggering the subscription.
seems to be more than that, because the thread subscribed to has had
many inputs from http posting folks…check it out.
>
>> -can’t log out from the http side
>> without dumping cookies (and maybe cache)
> (NB: The above is said in good humour. )
understand.
> This issue isn’t related to the recent issue, but I’ll pass it along.
i know, it has popped up several times of late (prior to Wednesday,
and since)…
the good news is it timed out…or wait, i shutdown and rebooted for
an unrelated reason…that probably dumped the cache, etc…
anyway, its been about 8 hours since i noticed i couldn’t log
out…so, i guess the clock ran out anyway…
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dd
On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:21:22 +0000, dd wrote:
>> This issue isn’t related to the recent issue, but I’ll pass it along.
>
> i know, it has popped up several times of late (prior to Wednesday, and
> since)…
>
> the good news is it timed out…or wait, i shutdown and rebooted for an
> unrelated reason…that probably dumped the cache, etc…
>
> anyway, its been about 8 hours since i noticed i couldn’t log out…so,
> i guess the clock ran out anyway…
Good to know the timeout is working, but that’s very useful info. I’ll
pass it along.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On 2013-06-23 19:23, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:21:22 +0000, dd wrote:
>> the good news is it timed out…or wait, i shutdown and rebooted for an
>> unrelated reason…that probably dumped the cache, etc…
>>
>> anyway, its been about 8 hours since i noticed i couldn’t log out…so,
>> i guess the clock ran out anyway…
>
> Good to know the timeout is working, but that’s very useful info. I’ll
> pass it along.
I noticed that, too. If you don’t clear the cookies, but leave it for
some hours, you are effectively logged out. But i don’t remember how
long I waited.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 01:33:10 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2013-06-23 19:23, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:21:22 +0000, dd wrote:
>
>
>>> the good news is it timed out…or wait, i shutdown and rebooted for
>>> an unrelated reason…that probably dumped the cache, etc…
>>>
>>> anyway, its been about 8 hours since i noticed i couldn’t log
>>> out…so, i guess the clock ran out anyway…
>>
>> Good to know the timeout is working, but that’s very useful info. I’ll
>> pass it along.
>
> I noticed that, too. If you don’t clear the cookies, but leave it for
> some hours, you are effectively logged out. But i don’t remember how
> long I waited.
6 or 8 hours IIRC.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
So,
I’ve been noticing this HTTP cookies thing for awhile now (the effects have been getting ever more severe for about a month now),
And with a little amusement I see that this thread already exists.
I haven’t tried to tear apart what is in the cookies, but surely this shouldn’t be a mystery?
— When a person actually logs out, then the cookie should be removed or replaced with a cookie that invalidates the current session.
IMO this is an ongoing issue likely related to the novell/attachmate/suse login authentication system which I’ve observed has been changing every few weeks for over the past 6mths.
And, the most recent idiosyncrasy of this authentication system is that now my bugzilla and forums authentication no longer is integrated… I need to login separately for each.
And, there is list of other weirdness that needs addressing, eg landing pages
Makes me wonder
So, for now until this gets straightened out, my workaround has been to make use of multiple browsers when I <must> not use the same cookies, eg when I use a VPN connection instead of a “Direct to Internet” connection… Apparently the cookie has some kind of geolocation data embedded which ablsolutely kills any access when I change connections.
TSU
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:56:02 +0000, tsu2 wrote:
> I haven’t tried to tear apart what is in the cookies, but surely this
> shouldn’t be a mystery?
Well, no, it isn’t. Fixing it definitively, though, apparently is more
involved than it seems on the surface (or it would have been fixed by
now).
> And, the most recent idiosyncrasy of this authentication system is that
> now my bugzilla and forums authentication no longer is integrated… I
> need to login separately for each.
I haven’t noticed that myself - but understand that the trigger is to do
something in one system or the other (when authenticated to the other)
that requires authentication.
So, in theory, you should be able to login to bugzilla, then come to
the forums and click “register/login” and you won’t be prompted for
credentials.
Just tried it myself, and it worked as expected.
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On 2013-06-23 19:23, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:21:22 +0000, dd wrote:
>
>>> This issue isn’t related to the recent issue, but I’ll pass it along.
>>
>> i know, it has popped up several times of late (prior to Wednesday, and
>> since)…
>>
>> the good news is it timed out…or wait, i shutdown and rebooted for an
>> unrelated reason…that probably dumped the cache, etc…
>>
>> anyway, its been about 8 hours since i noticed i couldn’t log out…so,
>> i guess the clock ran out anyway…
>
> Good to know the timeout is working, but that’s very useful info. I’ll
> pass it along.
I can not log out. I stayed disconnected all night, came back this
morning, opened a thread, and I’m still IN.
Removed all the cookies while supposedly logged out, opened a thread…
still IN.
netiq
suse.com
attachmate
forums.opensuse.org
While logged in, remove again all cookies, then log out finally worked.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)
On 07/27/2013 10:38 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> While logged in, remove again all cookies, then log out finally worked.
had the same experience a few days ago…(had logged in to report a
spam, and then couldn’t log out)
apparently the magic of whether one is logged into the http forums,
or not, is held inside the client’s cookies and not the in the server…
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dd
On 2013-07-28 09:15, dd wrote:
> On 07/27/2013 10:38 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> While logged in, remove again all cookies, then log out finally worked.
>
> had the same experience a few days ago…(had logged in to report a
> spam, and then couldn’t log out)
>
> apparently the magic of whether one is logged into the http forums, or
> not, is held inside the client’s cookies and not the in the server…
I’d love to know which particular cookie is to blame, and erase that one
and not all. It breaks other things, like bugzilla settings.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)
On 07/28/2013 02:33 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> I’d love to know which particular cookie is to blame, and erase that one
> and not all.
next time it happens i’ll nuke just the netIQ (since i think it the
most likely, if a single can cause the problem)…and, i’d you do the
same…(whoever hits the problem first…)…i guess the next most
likely is probably novell.com…and, then opensuse.org (of course
that could all be exactly backwards, or . . .)
i think it would be good if we could determine which ‘one’ is the
problem, so TPTB could focus on that…
though it really is not happening a lot…i wouldn’t wanna see lots
man-hours sunk in finding–after all, maybe its just a transient
perturbation and is one cookie this time and another next 
On 2013-07-28 21:13, dd wrote:
> On 07/28/2013 02:33 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> I’d love to know which particular cookie is to blame, and erase that one
>> and not all.
>
> next time it happens i’ll nuke just the netIQ (since i think it the
> most likely, if a single can cause the problem)
Nope.
I have been trying for the last 5 minutes to log out, erasing one set of
cookies only… no go.
I erase the entire set of cookies… nay.
netiq
suse.com
attachmate
forums.opensuse.org
Then log out. Delete that set, open the forum page: still logged IN!
I WANT OUT!
HOW?
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)
On 08/01/2013 08:23 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> HOW?
shutdown the browser, then open it again and before browsing to the
forums/etc check to see if there are any cookies from those four
domains listed–if so, nuke’em
then go to the forums and see if you are logged in…if yes, use a
different browser…maybe.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2013-07-28 21:13, dd wrote:
>> On 07/28/2013 02:33 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> I’d love to know which particular cookie is to blame, and erase that one
>>> and not all.
>>
>> next time it happens i’ll nuke just the netIQ (since i think it the
>> most likely, if a single can cause the problem)
>
> Nope.
>
> I have been trying for the last 5 minutes to log out, erasing one set of
> cookies only… no go.
>
> I erase the entire set of cookies… nay.
>
> netiq
> suse.com
> attachmate
> forums.opensuse.org
>
> Then log out. Delete that set, open the forum page: still logged IN!
> I WANT OUT!
>
> HOW?
>
I think it is browser issue. Clearing cache/cookie/offlien site data etc
is probably not working properly. On my browser (SeaMonkey) “Tools
==>clear private data(ctrl+shift+del)” does the job and i need to login
again after that
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GNOME 3.6.2
openSUSE Release 12.3 (Dartmouth) 64-bit
Kernel Linux 3.7.10-1.16-desktop
On 2013-08-02 04:42, vazhavandan wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2013-07-28 21:13, dd wrote:
>> I WANT OUT!
>>
>> HOW?
>>
>
> I think it is browser issue. Clearing cache/cookie/offlien site data etc
> is probably not working properly. On my browser (SeaMonkey) “Tools
> ==>clear private data(ctrl+shift+del)” does the job and i need to login
> again after that
I give up.
I’m logged in permanently, since last Thursday, 3 days. I had a brutal
crash (power off) in between, but SURPRISE, I’m still logged IN.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)
now unable to log out, using Google Chrome Stable 28.0.1500.71-209842
in KDE and 11.4 Evergreen
deleted cookies for suse. and *novell.com, shutdown/restarted
Chrome and i’m now logged out…
just reporting.
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dd
On 2013-08-11 18:50, dd wrote:
> now unable to log out, using Google Chrome Stable 28.0.1500.71-209842 in
> KDE and 11.4 Evergreen
>
> deleted cookies for suse. and *novell.com, shutdown/restarted Chrome
> and i’m now logged out…
I can not log out, and I have given up on the issue.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)
On 08/11/2013 07:23 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote
> I can not log out, and I have given up on the issue.
>
and, now again i can not log out again (after having JUST dumped
cookies a little over an hour ago!)
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dd
On 2013-08-11 20:05, dd wrote:
> On 08/11/2013 07:23 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote
>> I can not log out, and I have given up on the issue.
>>
>
> and, now again i can not log out again (after having JUST dumped cookies
> a little over an hour ago!)
And me, I’m logged out this time without insisting… go figure.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)