Having in mind that this will sound quite rude, I have to say that with
openSUSE 11.1 the ugly fonts problem is at their worst ever.
KDE 4 applications are more or less OK. KDE3 applications has yet
different fonts. Firefox and other GTK applications are in their own
world of ugly fonts, and OpenOffice is somewhere in between. Not to
mention Java/Eclipse based applications, e.g. Lotus Notes.
Any idea how to de-uglify those fonts? I’d be more than happy to
write a document on how to set nice fonts in suse, especially as I have
to do that after each system upgrade.
FWIW, I have openSUSE 10.3 set up pritty nicely, and I avoided upgrades
for this ugly fonts problem only…
Any suggestions are more than welcome.
On the good side, openSUSE 11.1 seems to run faster (!) than 10.3 on
the same hardware! Way to go, SUSE Team!
He means the rendering, not just font face. I have plenty of Microsoft
fonts here and everything still looks awful.
I just tested Fedora, Mandriva and PC-BSD. The fonts look fine. I know
they also look fine in Slackware. Just spin any distro live CD for five
minutes and you will see the difference. openSuse FAIL.
lucmove;1914871 Wrote:
> He means the rendering, not just font face. I have plenty of Microsoft
> fonts here and everything still looks awful.
>
> I just tested Fedora, Mandriva and PC-BSD. The fonts look fine. I know
> they also look fine in Slackware. Just spin any distro live CD for five
> minutes and you will see the difference. openSuse FAIL.
Yes, the rendering is problematic. I remember using suse 8.something
and since then I’m always fighting with the fonts rendering. But again,
it might be the KDE related issue. I never tried Gnome in Suse, nor KDE
in some other distribution, but I might try, though.
Anyway, I’m getting closer to what I’m looking for (my 10.3 setup,
actually)…
I’ve had some problem with fizzy fonts. For me it got fixed after
setting the hinting style to full in the kde4 anti-aliasing settings
(kde4 settings -> appearance -> Fonts and look out for the anti aliasing
setting. Maybe this helps in your case too
i must admit that fonts in OpenSuSe are among the worst in any distro I
have come across. I am not an Ubuntu fan but their font rendering is
just plain awesome, like mickeysofts. Fedora also (in gnome) does a
halfway decent job and on Arch I just install the ubuntu freetype
patches to make it look good.
Wish there were patches like these for OpenSuse since obviously it
cannot be solved by selecting different types of fonts and
anti-aliassing and hinting only does so much I have seen.
I also think that KDE4 especially suffers from plain ugly fonts, this
goes beyond a SuSe problem imho.
Stefan
–
-“The day Microsoft makes something that doesn’t suck is the day they
make a vacuum cleaner”-
OS: Fedora9, RHEL5, CENTOS5, Arch, OpenSuSe11
Hardware: Dell Precision M65
Monex;1914940 Wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I’ve had some problem with fizzy fonts. For me it got fixed after
> setting the hinting style to full in the kde4 anti-aliasing settings
> (kde4 settings -> appearance -> Fonts and look out for the anti aliasing
> setting. Maybe this helps in your case too
Anti-aliasing is already set.
What makes me sad, to say so, is that KDE4 has its own font appearance
settings, which don’t propagate to KDE3 applications still available
(e.g. Network Manager), not to mention GTK based apps, plus Java (SWT)
apps are completely different beasts.
I’ve visited both Ubuntu and Fedora forums and find the same
complaints, only there a small select group of users are complaining
about the fonts on their distribution, with statements that they have
the worst of any distribution.
Fortunately the beauty of Linux is its about choice, and there are ways
to change the font presentation to tune it to one’s HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE
tastes.
Search this site <http://forums.opensuse.org/search.php> for the
many previous posts with hints on how to fix the problem. After doing
that myself about six months ago my fonts are beautiful.
Hope they stay that way because these are the only notes I took
(dashed line between the various posts that I followed: maybe it
helps you maybe not–SEARCH for yourself):
Then set your fonts with “configure desktop” in KDE
The adjust your bytecode interpreter
go to
Yast2 > System ? etc/sysconfig editor > desktop >
Bytecode_BW_Max_Pixel
and change setting to 18
Then enable subpixel hinting using ‘Configure Desktop’, ‘Appearance’
and ‘Fonts’ - ‘Use anti-aliasing’. I stuck with the default RGB
Horizontal, full. I haven’t forced the fonts to a set dpi either.
set the antialiasing in your desktop config to how you like.
Personally I set mine to full antialiasing with font sizes between 6
and 14…
Here you have lossless screenshots of GTK (Firefox), KDE4 (Konqueror), openOffice.org, KDE3 (showFoto) and SWT/GTK (Vuze) running in my 11.1
system.
Note that I use a CRT monitor, so no subpixel hinting in these images.
openOffice.org seems to wrongly detect the DPIs of my screen, so fonts
are bigger (in the screenshot font size is 10pt instead of 12pt to look
more similar). Everything else looks fine and consistent.
Like DallasDrifter comments I use MS fonts:
> $ fc-match serif
> times.ttf: “Times New Roman” “Normal”
> $ fc-match sans-serif
> arial.ttf: “Arial” “Normal”
> $ fc-match mono
> andalemo.ttf: “Andale Mono” “Normal”
BYTECODE_BW_MAX_PIXEL set to 18 (so MS Fonts don’t use antialias and
use embedded hinting info) and EMBEDDED_BITMAPS_LANGUAGES set to nothing
(even if I don’t know if this makes any difference).
I have qtcurve-(gtk|kde|kde4) installed, my DPIs set correctly (my
monitor wongly specifies its size through EDID) and changed “Sans Serif”
for “Arial” in KDE4 font properties because of http://bugzilla.novell.com/461181.
That’s all, but note that I have neither “~/.fonts.conf” nor
“~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4”.
I’m using 11.1 KDE4,best font for english so far is WenQuanYi Zen
Hei,set the DPI to 120,adjust the font size to 11. In Firefox,select
above font for Western,size as 15. A screenshot for u :
[image: http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/157/10979846dk5.jpg][/UR[/IMG]
oldcpu;1915085 Wrote:
> My nominal fonts on 11.1, KDE-3.5.10
well to be honest I think those fonts actually look rather bad, just
like mine.
At first I thought it was just me but due to this thread I installed
ubuntu 8.10 on my spare pc just to check the difference and I must admit
that it is insane how much better the ubuntu fonts look.
Admittedly fonts are personal and Kubuntu is actually rather crappy in
the KDE department so I used a gnome ubuntu versus a KDE4 opensuse so
some might be due to the fact that for some reason KDE4 does something
horrible to fonts (imho the better looking fonts are all on
Gnome-centric distros) but it was nearly enough to make me cough keep
ubuntu on that pc cough (the dark theme is also actually rather nice
by the way).
and it must be something ubuntu is doing right because when I load the
freetype-ubuntu stuff from AUR on Archlinux I get the same crispy fonts
in ARch as opposed to the vanilla packages.
stefan
–
-“The day Microsoft makes something that doesn’t suck is the day they
make a vacuum cleaner”-
OS: Fedora9, RHEL5, CENTOS5, Arch, OpenSuSe11
Hardware: Dell Precision M65
This thread taught me a few things :), one is that my fonts are looking
great now and second is that I finally got rid of the ugly default
OpenSUSE forum skin (thanks to oldcpu’s screenshot).
It shows Firefox, OpenOffice and KDE application. Note how the fonts
are consistent, both in size and general appearance.
I admit that I had spent some time adjusting the font settings on 10.3
as well, but what drives me crazy is the need to do that with every new
version of opensuse.
stefan1975;1915128 Wrote:
> well to be honest I think those fonts actually look rather bad, just
> like mine. You must have provided a horrible screen print then, because in my
subjective opinion, my fonts are way superior to yours ! :rolleyes:
oldcpu;1915205 Wrote:
> You must have provided a horrible screen print then (in your 1st screen
> print), because in my subjective opinion, my fonts are way superior to
> yours (in your 1st screen print) ! :rolleyes:
euhm well actually i didnt upload a screenshot yet, i havent been home
yet, been too busy, lazy, xmas or whatever silly excuse not to have done
so but any screen you might be referring to is defenitely not mine.
S.
–
-“The day Microsoft makes something that doesn’t suck is the day they
make a vacuum cleaner”-
OS: Fedora9, RHEL5, CENTOS5, Arch, OpenSuSe11
Hardware: Dell Precision M65
those fonts? I’d be more than happy to
