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Now I recently joined a Linux club and…
I never realised how much Ubuntu is drifting away from other Distros. (If you get what I mean) Personally Im a Red Hat fanboy but, a lot of Ubuntu users seem to be not interested in trying other Distros. I also cant get the thought past me somehow ever since Canonical acquired Ubuntu that its somehow become a complete tool.
I guess what Im trying to say is Why didn’t you pick Ubuntu and have you noticed the same thing happening?
There are Other reasons why I dont particularly like Ubuntu (OS Related) but those are the biggest red flags for me.
Canonical didn’t acquire Ubuntu, it’s been the sponsor of Ubuntu right from the start.
I’m not sure how you define “drifting away”. Since it’s open software (well obviously except for the non-open bits), anybody’s free to take it and develop it further in any direction. If you mean the inclusion of proprietary packages, well that’s a whole bucket of worms and would sustain a dozen forums worth of debate and people would still not agree. And not just Ubuntu does it, although some distros try to be “pure”.
Anyway my take on this is use whatever suits you. It’s about choice.
Ubuntu is still linux, and if anything its getting closer to other distros not ****her.
The notification system in Jaunty is the biggest concern right now as many have had complaints that its not intuitive or any good, but I can say the same about KDE 4.
I’m still pretty new to linux as well, and I must admit that the first distro I tried was ubuntu. At first glance I thought it was quite good. Some excellent features, esspecially the Add/Remove feature, I really liked that. But my issues with ubuntu started to arise when I begun trying to play with the source, and the kernal. A number of programs seemed locked into the system and are very difficult to remove as well as this, the Add/Remove feature only supports software approved by the ubuntu community. Which when I started asking question about tweeks and customizing the distro, they turned into complete tools.
Overall I found that the distro is too much of a pain in the ass to tweek, and the community in general seem like a bunch of know-it-all tools.
Since then I have tried fedora, which I really do like a lot and i run it on my second laptop duel boot with WinXP, and on the laptop I’m using now I’m running OpenSUSE which seems like the best so far dispite being slightly behind in driver support in some areas.
Well the big advantage of Ubuntu is community repositories are all over the place, you dont have to use “official” repositories to get a working and updated system and these community repositories are usually very trustworthy.
I usually try my best in offering support for newcomers, and try to be neutral.
Well it is trustworthy, I just put in the word “usually” as a backer meaning I didnt want to sound overconfident.
Not saying I am not confident, actually I am very confident that the community repositories are well maintained and have yet to have a mission critical issue.
The Launchpad PPA’s are well maintained by the looks of it, 80 to 90% confident that they will have no issues with malware or other concerns (I dont like to say 100% in anything, there is no certainty in my claims and personally I like to give a 10 to 20% margin of error just in case… Its not like I am Microsoft and completely deny there are possible issues with how PPA repos work, people like to give a 100% guarantee but I am far too honest for that)
What makes me a troll?
I use more then one distro, big woop.
Its called being open, for someone who uses something called OpenSuse and using Open source software you seem closed off.
Talk about Ubuntu is bound to come out, its a competing distro but still a viable one.
Linux is about choice, dont like it then dont use it.
don’t come with the same lame arguments like “I use more than one distro” and “it’s about choice”. Be a bit more original, troll
I use SUSE, PC-BSD, openSolaris and Fedora from time to time, so come again?
However, I don’t go on various boards advertising or discussing which feature is better in this or that distro. Every single one of them has its strong and weak points and they are being worked on. When it comes to Ubuntu, I can give you a long list of what is wrong with it. If suse did the exact same things as ubuntu, there will be no reason for it to exist as it will be an exact copy of it. As said, all have their strong and weak points. focusing only on the strong ones but not mentioning the weak ones will get you nowhere, especially if the weak ones may overshadow the strong ones. How many of us do you see going on Ubuntu’s forum and advertising what suse is doing right? none, i guess
Oh give me a friggin break, its people like you who scare new linux users away thinking we are all elitist snobs.
Look my Ubuntu manga topic was more for fun, I was not advertising Ubuntu in any way just saying that maybe for promotional reasons maybe other ditros could have fun little manga’s, cartoons whatever calming the waters for new potential users…
THAT WAS MY POINT, but obviously that was lost to someone who calls people trolls because they use other distros.
And yes I have pointed out where in my opinion I can see how OpenSuse can be a bit harder for the new user then Ubuntu, but I am not saying its better but obviously for you I speak some kind of other language.
Want me to say Ubuntu sucks, fine Ubuntu sucks Ubuntu sucks…
I’m writing this using a Ubuntu 8.04 respin called Linux4One. It’s basically a custom version for the Acer One. But it is still Linux. I knew my way around fairly well altho this ‘sudo’ thing is annoyin
Anyway, reason I’m trying it is cuz it’s made for my netbook. I have XP on here as well. I might decide I don’t like Ubuntu and change back to OpenSUSE or try something else. I love it. It’s all up to me and not some company. So if you like it, use it.
On the subject of Ubuntu for noobs, I found the installation of OpenSUSE a lot better. The installer for this was difficult since I wanted it to use the free space and not tag along on the windows partition. OpenSUSE claimed the free space but Ubuntu wanted to shrink XP further and leave 60gig of free space alone! Had to manually do the partitioning. OpenSUSE did it all without interference. I also can tell it what software to install. Ubuntu you get what they descide and can ad or remove things after. I didn’t like this.
All in all it’s not bad. I’ll prob hang on to it for a while. I still have a desktop and laptop with OpenSUSE so no need to tell me to come back from the dark side
I’d just like to point out,name-calling & derogatory comments should be kept out of forum discussions. Please try to do so or take it to personal messages
These threads have definitely become out of hand. Why fight over such a silly little thing as what distribution you’re using?
General Chit-Chat A friendly place to converse about your adventures with openSUSE, your weekend, your boss, your new car, and generally stuff that doesn’t fit somewhere else
I would be to think anything else non-openSUSE would be included in this. Such as questions or comments about another distribution. Not so much advertisement for another distribution but constructive criticism about differences and similarities. But don’t just go on saying Ubuntu can do this while openSUSE can’t. As another poster said, if openSUSE and Ubuntu were exactly the same there wouldn’t be a need for both of them.
The community repository argument doesn’t really hold up though. openSUSE has official repositories, but it also has community repositories. Just open Yast, Software Repositories, click add, then choose community repositories. Or you can check them out here Additional YaST Package Repositories - openSUSE
Sure the officially and semi-officially supported repositories here Package Repositories - openSUSE are limited. But that doesn’t mean you can’t use external community repositories. They’re linked to from the official page and are easily accessible via Yast.
My comment was actually more about Ubuntu then OpenSuse, let me clarify a little.
For some people who look at Ubuntu they see that it offers a lot of packages and when they use a LTS release they note that most of the versions of apps are out of date and it seems only by going from LTS to a newer release is the only way to keep updated.
Not true, with community repositories its possible to keep Ubuntu current without the worry of being “left behind”.
I didnt say OpenSuse didnt offer this, I know full well of community repositories offered as I saw the links on the package repository page.
Though yes it does seem the amount of community repositories for OpenSuse is smaller but this can be a good thing as well as a bad thing for the outsider.
Its a good thing that there is not as many extra repositories to add as adding more then 3 additional repositories at a time can be very confusing (heck I had trouble with it when I started), so in the case of Ubuntu you may need 2 or 3 different repositories to get what you desire but OpenSuse offers just 1 repo that can do the same thing.
But the outsider could be lead to believe that there isnt as much choice on OpenSuse as there is on Ubuntu, and they are sort of right in a sense as what if one of the repositories goes down and that is the only repository that offers what you need?
I mean yes the same can happen in Ubuntu, but its large community might be a little faster at keeping the pace.
