With the release of openSUSE 12.3, openSUSE:Tumbleweed is now empty, to
allow for easier updating.
For those of you who wish to keep Tumbleweed 12.2 running for a while,
without having to upgrade, I suggest you do NOT update your Tumbleweed
system for a while until you wish to upgrade.
thanks,
greg k-h
Hi Greg, thanks for the news.
I have a standard 12.2 system which I intend to upgrade to [new] Tumbleweed. No hurry, but should I also wait, or should I be upgrading first to a standard 11.3 in preparation?
Thanks Greg, any news on the position of Tumbleweed now that 12.3 is released? I’m referring to a G+ thread where a full distro Tumbleweed was suggested (don’t remember if it was you or someone else).
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:16:02 +0000, consused wrote:
> Hi Greg, thanks for the news.
>
> I have a standard 12.2 system which I intend to upgrade to [new]
> Tumbleweed. No hurry, but should I also wait, or should I be upgrading
> first to a standard 11.3 in preparation?
You mean 12.3, right? 
Yes, you should upgrade to 12.3, if you have your repos set up to always
point to the “current” release, it will happen for you automatically.
greg k-h
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:26:01 +0000, Knurpht wrote:
> Thanks Greg, any news on the position of Tumbleweed now that 12.3 is
> released? I’m referring to a G+ thread where a full distro Tumbleweed
> was suggested (don’t remember if it was you or someone else).
It was me, and I don’t quite know yet. I’ll be testing it out to see how
well either just the “overlay” or the “full distro” options work over the
next month or so before I decide.
greg k-h
:shame: Yep, 12.3. Thanks, the upgrade it is then.
Thanks. Count me as one in favor of “full distro”
Me too! We wont have to work around “old” kernel updates from current. (I have been running grub2-efi-mkconfig manually to keep from getting caught, but the full distro concept would eliminate the problem).
Hi Greg,
I’ve a plain tumbleweed setup (tumbleweed and “current” repos). Zypper now wants to downgrade 130 packages; since tumbleweed repo is now empty, zypper tries to install older versions, right? Is it safe? Or should I wait for tumbleweed restoration? When you plan this?
Thanks.
I would wait…
Yes, WAIT. It happens because development of the new standard release freezes its package levels at some time before the Beta & RC phases. Tumbleweed packages continue updating as necessary. Hence the downgrades you are seeing compared to standard release.
So follow the advice of Greg’s first post, as your situation is normal, mine is not. 
Hej,
Just as a short status report for people wondering whether they should upgrade or wait (though your mileage may vary, etc.)
I upgraded earlier, the only thing I kept from “old” Tumbleweed is the 3.8.2 kernel by blocking the packages for the time being. Everything else I just kept enabled with a fair bunch of additional repos etc, and I didn’t have any problems.
I had two conflicts, one had to do with texinfo, which is home-made and was solved by replacing texinfo (the conflict was technically correct, anyway), the other was with Steam, which complained about missing GCC, however, that seems to be a Steam packaging problem, and choosing to ignore it didn’t really matter (it still works, anyway…).
I had overall activity just shy of 2200 packages, and so far everything seems to work just fine!
Very impressed, this is the second upgrade in a row where I had zero problems!
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:46:01 +0000, gcala wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> I’ve a plain tumbleweed setup (tumbleweed and “current” repos). Zypper
> now wants to downgrade 130 packages; since tumbleweed repo is now empty,
> zypper tries to install older versions, right? Is it safe? Or should I
> wait for tumbleweed restoration? When you plan this?
That is normal, and safe, and something you should do.
The packages it wants to downgrade are things like LibreOffice, kernel,
git, vim and others that Tumbleweed ended up a bit ahead of what ended up
in 12.3.
It will be a month or so before I add these packages back to Tumbleweed
and you will get updates then, but for now, stick with a “clean” 12.3
release.
Hope this helps,
greg k-h
I am not sure, but it looks that TW repos are back. Zypper dup reports today:
“1903 packages to upgrade, 217 to downgrade, 833 new, 147 to remove, 7 to change vendor, 5 to change arch”.
Is it a good idea to run upgrade now?. Thank you.
The tumbleweed repo is still empty. The current repos are the same as 12.3 repos. If you’re upgrading now you will have a pure 12.3. Nothing bad about that. You can wait or upgrade. It is your decision.
Thank you for explanation.
and when will the TW repos NOT be empty again?
for your information, I have two computers on TW, I updated one, thinking it would include the TW overlay, and I ended up with a system that is not fully functional: in particular, the background of my desktop is entirely black (only windows that open at login are visible) and there is no way to get my old plasma desktop back.
i was waiting for the TW overlay to be available again to try and solve these issues …
Not sure, but several weeks possibly before the TW repo starts trickling in. Plenty of time to re-install to a standard 12.3 as a base from which to install TW later. That’s what I would do if it was my broken system.
makes sense, thank you I’ll go that way then!