Tumbleweed and Leap opinions on Machines

Greetings,

I have been playing with Tumbleweed a bit more as of late and I have been super, super impressed with it. I was not as thrilled with it a year ago but today, it is rrrrreally rock solid. I have had nothing break in the last 3 months worth of updates. I have some older netbooks that I like to use that I have been using LXQt with Leap on to get what I need to get out of them. My main machine has seen some performance increases in the last month on Tumbleweed that really rocked my face and I was curious how it would do on those two old netbooks. These netbooks have 2 GB of RAM and spinning discs for storage so there is not much to work with. I can say that now, Tumbleweed with KDE Plasma is as fast as Leap 42.2 using LXQt. To say I am impressed is an understatement.

I am now considering converting my home server to Tumbleweed instead of Leap but thinking leaving the media computer as well as the kids’ computers on Leap because I don’t want to have to deal with ensuring they stay updated… but is that even a good argument? I am sure that I could just set up a cron job to do the updates weekly or bi-weekly, maybe monthly. I don’t know.

I need to underscore that I have had no need to even file a bug report with Tumbleweed on my daily driver since I have been running it.

So, just looking for some feedback.

Thanks!
-Nathan

Some Tumbleweed update require rebooting. So I don’t think you can completely automate that.

Personally, I reboot Tumbleweed after most updates. However, my main desktop is still using Leap, as I value the stability.

(Just expressing my opinion).

On a server: (although I do so) why TW ? The one I have running TW is a VPS, provider only serves TW.

I reboot after updates. I tend to update Tumbleweed weekly while Leap whenever they show up (at the end of the work day). I was thinking, if I were to set up the server with Tumbleweed, updated it every other week then I don’t have to do that big painful system update and *sometimes *have to reinstall everything. I am just chewing the cud on this one and thinking about which would be better to do. I am thinking I might go for it but this is really going into new territory for me. I have been very comfortable with the static releases for my server… but… golly… I have really enjoyed Tumbleweed as of late. Maybe I need to wait it out and see how my experience goes with Tumbleweed a bit longer.

Here is my thought, just spit-balling here, I am going to use one of these netbooks as a test to see what happens if I don’t update for a month and see if things break. Thoughts?

On Thu 22 Jun 2017 01:16:01 AM CDT, futureboy wrote:

I reboot after updates. I tend to update Tumbleweed weekly while Leap
whenever they show up (at the end of the work day). I was thinking, if I
were to set up the server with Tumbleweed, updated it every other week
then I don’t have to do that big painful system update and -sometimes
-have to reinstall everything. I am just chewing the cud on this one and
thinking about which would be better to do. I am thinking I might go for
it but this is really going into new territory for me. I have been very
comfortable with the static releases for my server… but… golly… I
have really enjoyed Tumbleweed as of late. Maybe I need to wait it out
and see how my experience goes with Tumbleweed a bit longer.

Here is my thought, just spit-balling here, I am going to use one of
these netbooks as a test to see what happens if I don’t update for a
month and see if things break. Thoughts?

Hi
I update Tumbleweed all the time (Factory ML notification) sometimes
things can break but since Tumbleweed wipes the previous release rpms
maybe harder to fix something if you leave big periods, plus some may
be security updates for CVE’s etc, eg glibc and stack clashing.

I’ve not had and show stoppers on Tumbleweed (GNOME DE) but prefer Leap
and SLED for day to day stuff. My server runs SLES, SP migration with
zypper is a breeze and expect this on Leap as well.


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When you upgrade versions for minor or major releases, do you have to nuke an pave or can you “zypper dup” to upgrade?

Yes, ‘zypper dup’. Upgrading is extensively tested in openQA . Mostly when people run into trouble doing so, this is caused by addition of home:/ and/or devel:/ repos.

Hi
I use;


zypper -vvv dup --no-allow-vendor-change

Adding verbosity gives more info on what’s happening… plus only use the default repos, my OBS home one and a local rpm repo for a few oddballs/testing.

I use the Packman repository for multimedia because I do watch my movies locally. I’m old fashion and still by DVDs.

I was also kind of thinking something like

zypper -vvv dup

Then just add the newer Leap repositories so that it DOES switch everything to the latest official packages.

As of late, I have been converting a lot of people to openSUSE Linux and using Leap specifically. I am going to have to go update these machines in the near future too…

How would one get to adding more packages in the main repos? I know that the multimedia stuff just can’t be in there for legal reasons but there are a few things that I do want that are not official.

Cheers!

On Thu 22 Jun 2017 04:06:01 PM CDT, futureboy wrote:

malcolmlewis;2827264 Wrote:
> Hi
> I use;
> >
Code:

> >
> zypper -vvv dup --no-allow-vendor-change
>

> >
>
> Adding verbosity gives more info on what’s happening… plus only
> use the default repos, my OBS home one and a local rpm repo for a few
> oddballs/testing.

I use the Packman repository for multimedia because I do watch my movies
locally. I’m old fashion and still by DVDs.

I was also kind of thinking something like

Code:

zypper -vvv dup

Then just add the newer Leap repositories so that it DOES switch
everything to the latest official packages.

As of late, I have been converting a lot of people to openSUSE Linux and
using Leap specifically. I am going to have to go update these machines
in the near future too…

How would one get to adding more packages in the main repos? I know that
the multimedia stuff just can’t be in there for legal reasons but there
are a few things that I do want that are not official.

Cheers!

Hi
Once you switch to packman, then you need to allow no vendor change.

For packages on OBS you need to ask the folks if not in a development
repo to push to one, maintain it and then push to factory.

For example I’m working on a webkit2-sharp package (new and needed for
SparkleShare), I develop in my home repo, then push it to the mono
development repo, once there will push to Factory so it will appear in
Tumbleweed. Then can go about updating SparkleShare.

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