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I’m an immigrant from Linux Mint whose curiosity was piqued by articles on opensuse.org detailing close collaboration between KDE developers and openSuse. Recently I installed Linux Mint Nadia Kde, their latest KDE flavor, and I’ve converted to KDE, prefer it very much, so I had to give openSuse a try since it seems to be specializing in KDE to an extent.

I first attempted download of the Opensuse 12.3 beta DVD, but that did not go well, because I think the lengthy download was aborted at some point due to user actions. :stuck_out_tongue: I checked the MD5 hash and it did not jibe, so I forgot about it.

Then I tried downloading the small Live CD from a mirror and that went quite well. The MD5 hash jibed. I chose a mirror geographically close to me, because I think it matters, but I could be mistaken…if it does matter, then it may be wise to denote the location on the page with the mirrors. I happened to puzzle out the location of one of the mirrors but not all the links are quite so obvious.

Using the Live KDE CD, I booted without difficulty, verified that Firefox could access the web, and then clicked on permanent installation on my humble 2008-era Lenovo Thinkpad R60 with Intel Core 2 Duo processor and a 60gb Seagate Momentus hard drive. I was quite impressed with OpenSuse installation which was problem-free for me, but what impressed me the most were the sensible defaults suggested for partitioning. I am not one to dual-boot because that seems too complicated, and btw, why?! Anyway, I overwrote Linux Mint Maya Mate which had some problems. I highly recommend that users accept the defaults chosen by OpenSuse’s installation process, because they seem to know what they are doing in my opinion.

Where I ran into some difficulty was in the update process when I ran Package Manager. Several instances of “conflicts” and occasions when the program was waiting on permission, and yet the password entry screen did not jump into focus, so a clueless user like myself did not know, the first couple of times, that I needed to bring the password window into focus. I would say that the update/package manager is not quite as good as that of Linux Mint, not quite as intuitive and streamlined. In Linux Mint, one enters the password when the package manager loads, and that is that, it handles everything else and sorts updates by priority and potential risk.

Another difference with openSuse is that there is a clear and obvious emphasis on passwords and security everywhere, probably owing to Suse’s use in business and servers. I choose a cheesy password and was scolded for it during the install. ha ha ha, well I will go to bed without cookies and milk tonight, then.

I’m eager for the final version of openSuse to be released, because I want to buy a new SSD for it. I think 12.3 looks good and it is running fast enough for me on my old laptop, which isn’t quite so ancient though–it has 2 gb and a dual core processor after all.

What I really, really love in openSuse 12.3 beta, and what I’m afraid will be REMOVED in stable, is the absolutely, stunning, amazing, gorgeous default wallpaper and look and feel. Love the dark wallpaper with the nice little green vine on the right-hand side. This saves me a lot of time, because usually I have to customize the desktop because other distros want to make everything so bright and punishing on the eyes. When one spends many hours at a computer every day, one prefers less brightness. Especially with LCD monitors being so bright these days, I don’t understand why anyone would want to stare into a light bulb all day. I think among all the distros I’ve tried, openSuse 12.3 beta has the best default appearance.

Overall I find openSuse comparable to the Linux Mint KDE, no really huge differences that stand out, other than the smarter installation and not as smart update process.

Now a question – will I have to reinstall for 12.3 stable, or can I easily and without risk update to stable? I suspect the former.

Ah, one last thing- I did encounter a bug. I tried to sync time with the ntp.org outfit, and got a strange error message . I tried to submit a bug report, but needed to install some kind of debug symbol package, which when I clicked on it, did not install. So I had to abort sending the bug report. I suspect this is an intentional method to cut down on the number of bug reports, to raise a hurdle for low-knowledge users so they cannot send bug reports. I admit I do not have a lot of patience to research and debug all the the things I would need to file a bug report at this time, as I am not fully invested in openSuse.

I think you are talking about “Apper”. It has some problems.

Instead, start Yast and go to online-updates. You will find that works much better.

That’s due in mid March. There should be a couple of release candidates before that.

I found that wallpaper “interesting” which means that I’m not sure that I like it. I do not know whether it will stay, though usually it isn’t changed after the beta.

You can run “zypper dup” from a terminal (as root) to update to the final release (when available). I will probably reinstall from the DVD, partly because I will be testing whether install goes well.

I’m sure that is not intentional. It’s probably an error in setting up the repos. We have beta releases to test for those kinds of errors. I have heard other mention of problems with NTP, so perhaps your bug has already been reported by someone else.

Thanks for your tips. I will print your message out for future reference.

There is much controversy over dark backgrounds, I’ve found, with many people disliking them, which is why light backgrounds are standard, but a minority of people like me strongly prefer them, sometimes for medical reasons. I suggest both parties can live in harmony and peace. There should be in every good distro a healthy selection of both light and dark. Often I find the dark selections few or non-existant. For instance, Xubuntu 12.10 does not offer a dark desktop at all. Linux Mint Nadia KDE does offer one–dusk, not really so nice, but it does not offer a really nice dark wallpaper. Open Suse 12.3 beta was a pleasant exception, its default is superb, and that makes OpenSuse a no-brainer for keeping as a permanent OS, besides the joy of KDE.

Open Suse may have some rough spots here and there in the updater, but Ubuntu is leaking money and trying dodgy things, so I do think it is well for the Linux world that Suse is around, and I hope it stays around. I could even imagine a future collaboration between Linux Mint and Open Suse. Linux Mint already offers a non-Ubuntu flavor: LMDE, or Linux Mint Debian. If Ubuntu continues on its current path, then there is no telling what will happen. Good idea to hedge one’s bets.

Making final judgements on an unfinished product…and making comparisons with

Linux Mint Nadia Kde

Not really a level playing field.

Ideally you should do a clean install of the final release… yes

On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 00:46:01 GMT
amethyst igor <amethyst_igor@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

> I first attempted download of the Opensuse 12.3 beta DVD, but that did
> not go well, because I think the lengthy download was aborted at some
> point due to user actions. :stuck_out_tongue: I checked the MD5 hash and it did not
> jibe, so I forgot about it.

Known bug. Appeared in M1, fixed in M2, reappeared in B1. The DVD iso is
OK but the MD5 hash is a load of cobblers and can be ignored - this
time.


Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
openSUSE 12.3-B1 (64-bit); KDE 4.9.98; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor;
Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver);
Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306

On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:36:01 GMT
nrickert <nrickert@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

> amethyst_igor;2523351 Wrote:
> > Ah, one last thing- I did encounter a bug. I tried to sync time
> > with the ntp.org outfit, and got a strange error message . I tried
> > to submit a bug report, but needed to install some kind of debug
> > symbol package, which when I clicked on it, did not install. So I
> > had to abort sending the bug report. I suspect this is an
> > intentional method to cut down on the number of bug reports, to
> > raise a hurdle for low-knowledge users so they cannot send bug
> > reports.
>
> I’m sure that is not intentional. It’s probably an error in setting
> up the repos. We have beta releases to test for those kinds of
> errors. I have heard other mention of problems with NTP, so perhaps
> your bug has already been reported by someone else.

It has. See http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799669


Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
openSUSE 12.3-B1 (64-bit); KDE 4.9.98; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor;
Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver);
Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306

Who said anything about final judgment? I have read many of the reviews of 12.2 however, certainly all the English-language ones that are on Distro Watch. However, is not feature freeze very soon?

I don’t know why my message’s subject was changed to “.”

The original subject was something like:
“Impressions of Open Suse 12.3 beta from first time user”

Hm.

Open Suse 12.3 beta is open to the public, so brace yourself, people will come in and post messages about your baby!

12.2 is a Final release

Either you did it accidentally or it’s some random strangeness

Sure
It’s just that you were making a comparison between a Final release of Mint and a Development version of openSUSE

On 01/31/2013 01:46 AM, amethyst igor wrote:
> will I have to reinstall for 12.3 stable

there will never be an “openSUSE 12.3 stable”, today we are testing
“openSUSE 12.3 Beta 1”, eventually there will be a “12.3 RC1” (Release
Candidate) and then an RC2 and then “openSUSE 12.3” will be publically
released, and it will keep that name until it goes end of life (in about
18 months after release…)

if you wish to compare today any ‘stable’ Debian based version to an
openSUSE version you should choose 12.1 and 12.2…

comparing anything (stable, unstable, development or whatever) to a
pre-release/development version (any variation of 12.3 prior to public
release) of openSUSE is not a good use of anyone’s time [we KNOW there
are bugs, which is why it is in testing!]


dd