Not exactly. That gives what I called “today’s posts” which does include new [unseen] posts, but that list also includes previously seen posts. Nothing wrong with it, but I like to have the net new posts. Sometimes I use the longer one.
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:28:05 +0000, vazhavandan wrote:
> I don’t see any subforums in nntp. All are forums.
> NNTP’s main disadvantage is cannot see the description for various
> forums 
NNTP does have a description available - but I don’t think we’ve
populated it because not all readers will fetch the descriptions. We
tried to pick names that were self-explanatory. Are there any groups
where you don’t think the name is self-explanatory?
Jim
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
Sorry it was a very long time ago, and I think that originally happened to me - it was messy but didn’t recall why. So I copied the url from my bookmark’s properties and placed it in the post as text using the editor’s special icon/button for that. However, the forum software insisted on turning it into a link (which I didn’t want). I forgot to say create a new bookmark and add the url, as posted, manually editing its properties.
It is working fine now. Thanks again.
From the horses mouth (from historical perspective)
It was a combination of the three forum sets that came together for
this one official forum set. The admins at the time (of which I was
one) decided on this set of forums based on historical data, traffic,
user requests, etc. It was a compromise as there is never any forum
set that meets everyone’s specific needs. Of course we’ve added all
the language forums and some English forums since that time. We rarely
see the complaint that there are too many sub forums. 64 bit being the
exception in recent history. Usually people are requesting more sub
forums to fit their needs.
FYI the admins (Jim, Carl, John) have the power to make forum layout
decisions now.
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Kim - 9/25/2013 7:45:05 AM
Mmm, Kim describes himself as “Guy walking behind the parade with the shovel”. That makes for an interesting juxtaposition, and probably defies the laws of anatomy. 
On 2013-09-25 21:21, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:28:05 +0000, vazhavandan wrote:
>
>> I don’t see any subforums in nntp. All are forums.
>> NNTP’s main disadvantage is cannot see the description for various
>> forums
>
> NNTP does have a description available - but I don’t think we’ve
> populated it because not all readers will fetch the descriptions. We
> tried to pick names that were self-explanatory. Are there any groups
> where you don’t think the name is self-explanatory?
I think that the groupinfo file in leafnode would have the description,
but it is empty:
> opensuse.org.feedback.forums.comments-suggestions 4487 221 1278762332 -x-
I think it is the ‘x’ at the end.
I have had doubts at times about which group is appropriate for a
question, yes.
For instance… there are two “announcements” groups, two “news”. The
difference is not clear.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:28:05 +0000, vazhavandan wrote:
>
>> I don’t see any subforums in nntp. All are forums.
>> NNTP’s main disadvantage is cannot see the description for various
>> forums
>
> NNTP does have a description available - but I don’t think we’ve
> populated it because not all readers will fetch the descriptions. We
> tried to pick names that were self-explanatory. Are there any groups
> where you don’t think the name is self-explanatory?
>
> Jim
>
It is bad sw design that readers don’t fetch something that exists.
It is aasier to understand nntp groups easier to understand if you have
already used web based forums.
GNOME 3.6.2
openSUSE Release 12.3 (Dartmouth) 64-bit
Kernel Linux 3.7.10-1.16-desktop
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:13:25 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> I think it is the ‘x’ at the end.
Could be, I’ll have to look and see what NNTP commands are supposed to
retrieve the description.
> I have had doubts at times about which group is appropriate for a
> question, yes.
Let’s get a list together so we can figure out how to make it clearer,
then.
> For instance… there are two “announcements” groups, two “news”. The
> difference is not clear.
These four:
opensuse.org.news.announcements
opensuse.org.news.opensuse-news
opensuse.org.news.security-announcements
opensuse.org.news.tech-news
?
Jim
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:59:57 +0000, vazhavandan wrote:
> It is bad sw design that readers don’t fetch something that exists.
I don’t disagree, but I don’t know how you expect us to fix newsreaders
that don’t behave as expected.
> It is aasier to understand nntp groups easier to understand if you have
> already used web based forums.
Perhaps, but some “new eyes” to provide specific, concrete examples would
be helpful. Most of us who use NNTP these days have been using it on
these forums for years, so it’s hard to look at them with new eyes.
Jim
–
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:59:57 +0000, vazhavandan wrote:
>
>> It is bad sw design that readers don’t fetch something that exists.
>
> I don’t disagree, but I don’t know how you expect us to fix newsreaders
> that don’t behave as expected.
>
>> It is aasier to understand nntp groups easier to understand if you have
>> already used web based forums.
>
> Perhaps, but some “new eyes” to provide specific, concrete examples would
> be helpful. Most of us who use NNTP these days have been using it on
> these forums for years, so it’s hard to look at them with new eyes.
>
> Jim
>
It was just a rant . It is one those silly things that you say aloud 
I generally don’t use these forums to post questions as my requirement
from openSUSE are minimal:-
==>play an odd mp3
==>play some video
==>browse the net
==>Very rarely i do open some documents in LibreOffice
==>Run some J2ee code with eclipse.
==>I want to learn touth typing(but i am too lazy put an effort into it)
Hence i wouldn’t be the right person to comment on how the nntp forums
should be named so that it can be named / re-named
I do understand that People may need to do alot of these stuff on their
machines. I think the best way is to list all imaginable questions
like the ones listed below and do a “group by” category and check
whether existing forum structure does 50~70% of the job correctly then
we should retain existing structure. Frequently changing forum structure
is also bad from an end users point of view.
configure samba, wireless card,set up apache,set up mysql,set up
squid/set up proxy,connect "i"devices,connect bluetooth speakers,
connect a guitar, compose music etc…, run 5 OSes on virtual machine,
run an android emnulator, configure graphics card (people pay money for
these and nvidia and co should publish linux drivers ),connect old boxes
to make super computers, Connect to remote machines, run 32 bit stuff on
64 bit etc etc
People/humans can overcourse of time get used to some bad things like
restarting machine when it gets stuck instead of reading messages in
var/log etc…
I belive that not a lot of the forum users really care about forum
stucture . They want to get their questions answered.End of story.
It is probably the SMEs(Subject Matter Experts) who care about forum
structure so that they can effectively answer some questions. I think
It would be great if really learned users in these forums can point
out as to how the forums should look so that they would be more likely
to contribute to the forums.
–
GNOME 3.6.2
openSUSE Release 12.3 (Dartmouth) 64-bit
Kernel Linux 3.7.10-1.16-desktop
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:59:57 +0000, vazhavandan wrote:
>> It is aasier to understand nntp groups easier to understand if you have
>> already used web based forums.
>
> Perhaps, but some “new eyes” to provide specific, concrete examples would
> be helpful. Most of us who use NNTP these days have been using it on
> these forums for years, so it’s hard to look at them with new eyes.
Indeed, some of us have used newsgroups since before the web existed,
even before NNTP existed, so the understanding has nothing whatsoever to
do with the mess that is web forums.
Some opinion and thoughts, bearing in mind the Forum is a channel for the openSUSE project:
Announcements and news are different. Announcements (infrequent) i.e. important to Forum Members and should stand out from general openSUSE project and forum related news. Example of announcement: the Tech News sub-forum is closing, so in future please post that in blah, blah…
Most of “tech news” is not openSUSE specific, and it is used less infrequently nowadays. It could just as easily be discussed as a posting in Chit-chat or Soapbox. Surely the openSUSE Forum is not in the news business for other organizations? It could be pruned i.e. candidate for removal.
Security-announcements are not “announcements”, they are “advisories”, important and openSUSE/SUSE specific. Probably deserving of segregation (for both +ve and -ve reasons :D).
But that is just looking through my old eyes, and their will be opposing views. 
consused wrote:
> hendersj;2587720 Wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:13:25 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> I have had doubts at times about which group is appropriate for a
>>> question, yes.
>> Let’s get a list together so we can figure out how to make it clearer,
>> then.
>>> For instance… there are two “announcements” groups, two “news”. The
>>> difference is not clear.
>> These four:
>>
>> opensuse.org.news.announcements
>> opensuse.org.news.opensuse-news
>> opensuse.org.news.security-announcements
>> opensuse.org.news.tech-news
>>
>> ?
>>
> Some opinion and thoughts, bearing in mind the Forum is a channel for
> the openSUSE project:
>
> Announcements and news are different. Announcements (infrequent) i.e.
> important to Forum Members and should stand out from general openSUSE
> project and forum related news. Example of announcement: the Tech News
> sub-forum is closing, so in future please post that in blah, blah…
>
> Most of “tech news” is not openSUSE specific, and it is used less
> infrequently nowadays. It could just as easily be discussed as a posting
> in Chit-chat or Soapbox. Surely the openSUSE Forum is not in the news
> business for other organizations? It could be pruned i.e. candidate for
> removal.
>
> Security-announcements are not “announcements”, they are “advisories”,
> important and openSUSE/SUSE specific. Probably deserving of segregation
> (for both +ve and -ve reasons :D).
>
> But that is just looking through my old eyes, and their will be opposing
> views.
FWIW, I am subscribed to opensuse.org.news.announcements but none of the
others.
On 2013-09-25 12:42, Dave Howorth wrote:
> There’s no ability to subscribe to individual threads in the NNTP interface.
Yes, you can. Kind of.
In thunderbird, I can mark a thread as “watch this thread”, which puts a
little “eye” icon on it. If you sort by thread and date, a thread with a
watch on it and a new post goes to the very bottom (or top, if you sort
that way) where it is highly visible.
I combine that with a filter that automatically marks as watched a
thread in which I posted.
You can also display only watched threads.
And a group (forum) which gets new posts get a “star” on the name.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)
On 2013-09-26 07:13, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:13:25 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> For instance… there are two “announcements” groups, two “news”. The
>> difference is not clear.
>
> These four:
>
> opensuse.org.news.announcements
> opensuse.org.news.opensuse-news
> opensuse.org.news.security-announcements
> opensuse.org.news.tech-news
>
> ?
Yep.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)
And I am going to respectfully disagree. It could be a lot finer and isn’t.
The forums have taken the path of the industry, ie specialization. Otherwise there would only be a need for 2 forums, hardware and software.
Granularity is good.
Hahahahahah, quite a mental image.
On 2013-09-26 07:15, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:59:57 +0000, vazhavandan wrote:
>
>> It is bad sw design that readers don’t fetch something that exists.
>
> I don’t disagree, but I don’t know how you expect us to fix newsreaders
> that don’t behave as expected.
>
I don’t know, for instance, where Thunderbird would display the description.
>> It is aasier to understand nntp groups easier to understand if you have
>> already used web based forums.
>
> Perhaps, but some “new eyes” to provide specific, concrete examples would
> be helpful. Most of us who use NNTP these days have been using it on
> these forums for years, so it’s hard to look at them with new eyes.
Indeed
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:42:38 +0000, Dave Howorth wrote:
> There’s no ability to subscribe to individual threads in the NNTP
> interface.
Myself, I use Pan’s scoring mechanism. It also has the ability to filter
based on “watched” threads (scored 9999) and threads that you’ve posted
in.
Not quite the same as e-mail notifications, but pretty close in terms of
being able to see threads with new posts in them (which is actually
another filter).
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C