Title changes are not propagated to NNTP.

View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=471763

I noticed this comment:

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On 2012-01-31 00:26, jdmcdaniel3 wrote:
> IN
> any event you did good by placing Solved into your New Message Title.
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It appears that a poster modified the subject line preceding it with
“Solved”, but that change did not reach the NNTP side.

Why? Another bug?


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

And, to not drive you crazy (well OK, perhaps a little cray Z), I also added the word Solved to the main title (of the other thread). It even shows up here in this message.

Thank You,

On 2012-01-31 02:46, jdmcdaniel3 wrote:

> So, this is only a test, but I did an edit of the primary title to
> include Solved. We will not be doing that normally as its not really
> required, but I wonder if you see that change after say 10 minutes have
> transpired?

Nope, no change. I see it on the web side, but not on the nntp. I use a
local cache, so I would not see it, anyway. So I start another viever
without cache, and as I thought, the titles are unchanged. This is because
once sent to the gateway, a message is not sent to it, the nntp server
keeps its own copy.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

So this is a reply to your other message as it belongs here I feel. So, I wonder if this is a bug or not. When we move a message on the Web side, after the thread is closed and we wait 10 minutes or so before the move, don’t you then see it in its new location? Seems like what ever side a change is made it needs to be sent to the other side, but I admit I don’t know exactly how nntp works.

Thank You,

On 2012-01-31 03:26, jdmcdaniel3 wrote:

>
> So this is a reply to your other message as it belongs here I feel.
> So, I wonder if this is a bug or not. When we move a message on the Web
> side, after the thread is closed and we wait 10 minutes or so before the
> move, don’t you then see it in its new location? Seems like what ever
> side a change is made it needs to be sent to the other side, but I admit
> I don’t know exactly how nntp works.

You can consider it as another web server, read only, were content is sent
10 minutes after a post is finished on the forum, and once the transfer is
made it can not be remade. Like email, it is sent.

If the title is changed before ending the post, I may see it. If the change
is made later, I won’t.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

OK, but when a new post is made, the poster has the ability to modify the title. It seems that a new modified title is not sent with the rest of the message and that it just keeps using the original title then. Even though many here do make a title changes through out the message thread. So, it seems odd to be left out of that loop.

Thank You,

On 01/31/2012 02:18 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> It appears that a poster modified the subject line preceding it with
> “Solved”, but that change did not reach the NNTP side.

yes it did, i saw it (TBird, online…not cached)


DD
Read what Distro Watch writes: http://tinyurl.com/SUSEonDW

Carlos E. R. wrote:
> once the transfer is made it can not be remade. Like email, it is sent.

That’s not quite right, because it is possible to delete a message
later. I don’t know what other differences there are.

BTW. I don’t see SOLVED in any of the titles in this thread and I don’t
know which other thread you’re talking about since I use NNTP and not
the web interface.

The other thread is this one: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/hardware/471763-psu-role-shutdown-reboot-solved.html

Thank You,

On 01/31/2012 11:19 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
> BTW. I don’t see SOLVED in any of the titles in this thread and I don’t
> know which other thread you’re talking about since I use NNTP and not
> the web interface.

you must have missed, in Carlos’ first post:
View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=471763

there you will see “(Solved)” show in the titles from the point the
moderator edited it in, as well as “[Crisis Averted though problem
resolution]” which i added…


DD
Read what Distro Watch writes: http://tinyurl.com/SUSEonDW

DenverD wrote:
> On 01/31/2012 11:19 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
>> BTW. I don’t see SOLVED in any of the titles in this thread and I don’t
>> know which other thread you’re talking about since I use NNTP and not
>> the web interface.
>
> you must have missed, in Carlos’ first post:
> View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=471763
>
> there you will see “(Solved)” show in the titles from the point the
> moderator edited it in, as well as “[Crisis Averted though problem
> resolution]” which i added…

You must have missed “I use NNTP and not the web interface” :slight_smile:

On 2012-01-31 13:06, Dave Howorth wrote:
> DenverD wrote:

> You must have missed “I use NNTP and not the web interface” :slight_smile:

So do we, but I used web to check.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

On 2012-01-31 11:19, Dave Howorth wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> once the transfer is made it can not be remade. Like email, it is sent.
>
> That’s not quite right, because it is possible to delete a message
> later. I don’t know what other differences there are.

That’s curious, because I see deleted Spam in nntp. I mean they disappear.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2012-01-31 11:19, Dave Howorth wrote:
>> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> once the transfer is made it can not be remade. Like email, it is sent.
>> That’s not quite right, because it is possible to delete a message
>> later. I don’t know what other differences there are.
>
> That’s curious, because I see deleted Spam in nntp. I mean they disappear.

I use Thunderbird. I guess whatever you’re using to read NNTP behaves
differently, if you see something different to me.

On 2012-01-31 11:02, DenverD wrote:
> On 01/31/2012 02:18 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> It appears that a poster modified the subject line preceding it with
>> “Solved”, but that change did not reach the NNTP side.
>
> yes it did, i saw it (TBird, online…not cached)

No, I checked with Pan, which is not cached (leafnode).

Message-ID: <jdmcdaniel3.576i9g@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>
Message-ID: <heboland.575v42@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

On 01/31/2012 01:06 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

> You must have missed “I use NNTP and not the web interface” :slight_smile:

no Dave, i didn’t miss that at all…you are saying you can’t see the
“(Solved)” in this thread, when Carlos is talking about a “(Solved)”
in a different thread–and he (and i) provided you a link to that
thread so you could see it…now, if you don’t care enough about seeing
what that thread looks like that you would click on the link given
twice, then why complain that you can’t see it?

here, look it up:


From: heboland <heboland@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>
Newsgroups: opensuse.org.help.hardware
Subject: PSU role in shutdown/reboot?
Message-ID: <heboland.572cq0@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>
Organization: forums.opensuse.org
User-Agent: vBulletin USENET gateway
X-Originating-IP: 137.65.227.182
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Lines: 39
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:36:03 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.65.225.252
X-Trace: kovat.provo.novell.com 1327775763 137.65.225.252 (Sat, 28 Jan
2012 11:36:03 MST)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:36:03 MST

:slight_smile:


DD
Read what Distro Watch writes: http://tinyurl.com/SUSEonDW

On 2012-01-31 14:31, Dave Howorth wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2012-01-31 11:19, Dave Howorth wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> once the transfer is made it can not be remade. Like email, it is sent.
>>> That’s not quite right, because it is possible to delete a message
>>> later. I don’t know what other differences there are.
>>
>> That’s curious, because I see deleted Spam in nntp. I mean they disappear.
>
> I use Thunderbird. I guess whatever you’re using to read NNTP behaves
> differently, if you see something different to me.

I’m using thunderbird via leafnode (local configuration) and pan via direct.

There are some posts that are deleted on the web because they are spam. I
see them with Th. because they are cached locally by leafnode. But they
don’t show with pan, which is not cached but connect directly to the news
server - thus indeed they are deleted both on the web and nntp.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)