First post: Today, 12:32 AM
Second post: Today, 12:36 AM
Third post: Today, 09:30 AM
So now after some hard thinking to me that should be Today, 00:32, 00:36, 09:30. May be I am a dude, but that is how we think in this part of the world. What is the use of having your time zone in your preferences if the format makes it still not understandable at a glance.
And related: why is this information only in your preferences and thus works only after being loged in and not in some cookies.
Now I have to log in to change to the openSUSE Basic skin (I find the others unusable, maybe eyes to old >:( ) and to get into the (still hard to interprete) time zone even if I only want to inspect a thread to see if it is important. I log in a lot of times in a day just to read something and this is … >:)
kgroneman wrote:
> Hmmmm. I see the times on the thread (GMT -6) as the following:
>
> 1 - Yesterday, 04:32 PM
> 2 - Yesterday, 04:36 PM
> 3 - Today, 01:30 AM
>
> Anyone else in the GMT +1 time zone see it strange?
>
>
I think this is due to the fact that most Europeans use what we in the
states call Army time. So when the OP looked at the times it seemed
strange as if the last post came 3 hours earlier instead of 9 hours later.
I am sorry, but I am afraid you did not get it. My fault. It is the AM and PM. At the first glance for me 12:26 is later then 09:36 because I am not used to interpreting text coming after the numbers being an integral part of the time expression. Only after long looking and looking again I understood that by 12:36 AM is meant 36 minutes after midnight and not 36 minutes after noon. In this part of the world we express this as 00:36.
And hen cary on tha MHO it is silly to have my time-zone in the posts, but not my way (not my personal one, but the way it is done here in general) to express the time in writing. KDE does this without fllaw, I bet Gnome does it. Terms applicable are: Internationalisation and Localiation.
Edit: I am a bit slow with typing, but 69_rs_ss did explain it very wel I think.
> Anyone else in the GMT +1 time zone see it strange?
i see exactly what Henk sees…
he and i are (i guess) in the same timezone…and, both normally use
a 24 hour clock…but, apparently the web forum software won’t
display what it “should be” for us:
First post: Today, 00:32
Second post: Today, 00:36
Third post: Today, 09:30
i can’t see what it is in nntp because i’m not smart enough to keep
up if i read the Network/Internet forum, so don’t subscribe there
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kgroneman wrote:
>> i see exactly what Henk sees…
>
> not exactly. You posted:
>> First post: Today, 00:32
>> Second post: Today, 00:36
>> Third post: Today, 09:30
> and he posted:
>> First post: Today, 12:32 AM
>> Second post: Today, 12:36 AM
>> Third post: Today, 09:30 AM
no, you misread…i see EXACTLY what he saw (exactly!), but i
_posted _what we SHOULD HAVE seen, but did not…
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It seems a bit difficult to get over the cultural barrier . I come slowly to the conclusion that, allthough this is an international forum, it uses a thouroughly american piece of software. The timezones are in because they do have them in the US. But there is no I18N in it. Unix/Linux is far better in this aspect.
On 2008-09-08, kgroneman <kgroneman@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
>
> Hmmmm. I see the times on the thread (GMT -6) as the following:
>
> 1 - Yesterday, 04:32 PM
> 2 - Yesterday, 04:36 PM
> 3 - Today, 01:30 AM
>
> Anyone else in the GMT +1 time zone see it strange?
I see it as such:
Yesterday, 16:32
Yesterday, 16:36
Today, 01:30
This, both on in http as in nntp.
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Hanlon’s Razor:
Never attribute to malice that which is
adequately explained by stupidity.
There is no default, for us as users it is hard coded. There is no option to change the format date/time is written in. You can change: Time Zone, DST Correction Option and Start of the Week. And they have defaults.
There is no option for having a 12 hour or 24 hour clock, so there is alo no default. There maybe an internal switch but I do not recommend you it to switch the forums to a 24 hour clock. You would embarras the 12 hour clock users even more then the 24 hour clock users are now.
But I admit that ‘Start of the Week’ is an I18N option, so there is something in this field available.
In short I would applaude it very much when:
there would be in User Control Panel > Edit Options > Date & Time Options a choice for 12/24 hour clock (whatever the default);
the options in the Date & Time section and the option about the Forum Skin (in Miscellaneous Options) wouls **also **
be placed in cookies, so I can have them applied also when I am not loged in.
I thank you for taking the time trying to understand me
(There is a rumour you are doing kickboxing, so it is far from me to offend you )
I am flabbergasted, how did you manage to get that, where is the ‘button’?
When there is one and I did not find it, I have to apologize to a lot of persons!
>> I see it as such:
>>
>> Yesterday, 16:32
>> Yesterday, 16:36
>> Today, 01:30
>>
>> This, both on in http as in nntp.
>>
> I am flabbergasted, how did you manage to get that, where is the
> ‘button’?
> When there is one and I did not find it, I have to apologize to a lot
> of persons!
I’ve never touched anything, as far as I know.
PS: the post I’m replying to, is dated:
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:36:02 GMT
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Hanlon’s Razor:
Never attribute to malice that which is
adequately explained by stupidity.
On 2008-09-08, hcvv <hcvv@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> Rikishi42 is right, all times are now in 24 hours clock
>
> But when that is true for everybody, I am afraid that other peple will
> start complaining (though no complaints about it from me rotfl!
> anymore).
I’ve been looking into older messags, and I find them all using the 24hrs
notation. Mind you, that is in nntp, didn’t look in the web forums.
In UseNet posts, I’m used to see the date and timezone defined by the author
of the message. In the Novell groups, the stamp is made by their http->nttp
interface, I guess. Oh, and the timezone is allways set to GMT.
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Hanlon’s Razor:
Never attribute to malice that which is
adequately explained by stupidity.
Well, you see I have this complaint meter. When it tilts enough to the right, I do it that way. When it tilts enough to the left, I do it the other way. Unless I want it a certain way or someone complains too much (not naming any names) then I just ignore all the complaints. You are right that a 24 hour clock is more “international friendly” so I figure that’s the right way to go.
I understand your position full of responsabilities. I will stop complaining for a while (maybe only for the fact that I will be a few days off ). Thanks anyhow for your decision in my favour
And Rikishi42, I hope you understand that the forums time display was changed from 12 to 24 hours during the lifetime of this thread. That means that all (old and new) post are now shown in 24 hours system. In the http interface you define the time zone you want to see al times in, in your Control Panel.
> And Rikishi42, I hope you understand that the forums time display was
> changed from 12 to 24 hours during the lifetime of this thread. That
> means that all (old and new) post are now shown in 24 hours system. In
> the http interface you define the time zone you want to see al times in,
> in your Control Panel.
Only in http, not allways so in nntp. In my case, my newsserver has
downloaded the articles. My NewsReader reads that copy.
So they shouldn’t be modified. They’d only have this new format if I
download them again.
It’s not really important to me, but I wonder how ‘old’ the messages I
looked at, where. When was the change? Last WE, I think ?
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Hanlon’s Razor:
Never attribute to malice that which is
adequately explained by stupidity.
. I come slowly to the conclusion that, allthough this is an international forum, it uses a thouroughly american piece of software. The timezones are in because they do have them in the US. But there is no I18N in it. Unix/Linux is far better in this aspect.
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You are right that a 24 hour clock is more “international friendly” so I figure that’s the right way to go. 