I’ve noticed a few times that people will respond to one of my postings,
but not address what I’ve said in any way, instead addressing whatever
the OP said. I would expect such postings to be
threaded/referenced/tied to the original post, not to mine?
To me it’s confusing, but is it somehow an anomaly caused by the forum
interface or is it just the “style” ?
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Per Jessen, Zürich (21.4°C)
http://en.opensuse.org/User:Pjessen
I think this is simply due to how most(?) people use the forum, i.e. through the web interface along with its linear thread display mode. The web interface does also offer the threaded display mode, however it is not the default, and I guess it is not used a lot. NNTP on the other hand only (?) offers the threaded display mode.
Now, what might happen in linear mode is that people just read a thread, top down, and then use the reply buttons on the last post in the thread to write a response to the OP. Or the other way 'round, they use the ‘Reply to Thread’ button in order to just address the last post in the thread. In linear mode, this all makes sense, and the threads remain easily followable.
For the threaded display mode, and hence NNTP users, though, this causes significant problems. Posts look like they are addressed at the OP, when in fact they are addressed at the poster before, or post which look like they are addressed at you for instance, in fact address the OP. Or even yet more odd things …
And as an aside, you are aware that the combination of “:” + “P” is parsed as a smilie, and ruins the link in your sigline? 
Now, what might happen in linear mode is that people just read a thread, top down, and then use the reply buttons on the last post in the thread to write a response to the OP. Or the other way 'round, they use the ‘Reply to Thread’ button in order to just address the last post in the thread. In linear mode, this all makes sense, and the threads remain easily followable.
For the threaded display mode, and hence NNTP users, though, this causes significant problems. Posts look like they are addressed at the OP, when in fact they are addressed at the poster before, or post which look like they are addressed at you for instance, in fact address the OP. Or even yet more odd things …
Well explained. I’ve only ever used the web interface (with linear posts display), so its quite a paradgm shift to consider the contextual implications to those using the nntp interface.
Lord Emsworth wrote:
>
> pjessen;2193917 Wrote:
>> I’ve noticed a few times that people will respond to one of my
>> postings, but not address what I’ve said in any way, instead
>> addressing whatever the OP said. I would expect such postings to be
>> threaded/referenced/tied to the original post, not to mine?
>> To me it’s confusing, but is it somehow an anomaly caused by the
>> forum interface or is it just the “style” ?
>
> I think this is simply due to how most(?) people use the forum, i.e.
> through the web interface along with its linear thread display mode.
> The web interface does also offer the threaded display mode, however
> it is not the default, and I guess it is not used a lot. NNTP on the
> other hand only (?) offers the threaded display mode.
NNTP is only the protocol, but I’m sure most news-readers will offer two
or three different modes, like most email readers. I always use
threaded mode, it makes it easier to kill off offshoots (or entire
threads) that don’t interest me.
> Now, what might happen in linear mode is that people just read a
> thread, top down, and then use the reply buttons on the last post in
> the thread to write a response to the OP. Or the other way 'round,
> they use the ‘Reply to Thread’ button in order to just address the
> last post in the thread. In linear mode, this all makes sense, and the
> threads remain easily followable.
Okay, that’s pretty much what I was thinking too. To me, it would be
confusing, but when I don’t use the forum interface …
> For the threaded display mode, and hence NNTP users, though, this
> causes significant problems. Posts look like they are addressed at the
> OP, when in fact they are addressed at the poster before, or post
> which look like they are addressed at you for instance, in fact
> address the OP. Or even yet more odd things …
Exactly.
> And as an aside, you are aware that the combination of “:” + “P” is
> parsed as a smilie, and ruins the link in your sigline?
No, I didn’t know - must be bad forum software 
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Per Jessen, Zürich (24.9°C)
http://en.opensuse.org/User:Pjessen
Per Jessen wrote:
>> And as an aside, you are aware that the combination of “:” + “P” is
>> parsed as a smilie, and ruins the link in your sigline?
>
> No, I didn’t know - must be bad forum software
it is…
i brought it up months ago…
it won’t be changed…
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DenverD
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Per Jessen wrote:
> Lord Emsworth wrote:
>
>>
>> pjessen;2193917 Wrote:
>>> I’ve noticed a few times that people will respond to one of my
>>> postings, but not address what I’ve said in any way, instead
>>> addressing whatever the OP said. I would expect such postings to
>>> be threaded/referenced/tied to the original post, not to mine?
>>> To me it’s confusing, but is it somehow an anomaly caused by the
>>> forum interface or is it just the “style” ?
>>
>> I think this is simply due to how most(?) people use the forum, i.e.
>> through the web interface along with its linear thread display mode.
>> The web interface does also offer the threaded display mode, however
>> it is not the default, and I guess it is not used a lot. NNTP on the
>> other hand only (?) offers the threaded display mode.
>
> NNTP is only the protocol, but I’m sure most news-readers will offer
> two or three different modes, like most email readers. I always use
> threaded mode, it makes it easier to kill off offshoots (or entire
> threads) that don’t interest me.
I’ve just noticed that this is why many of my responses are never
followed-up on or otherwise responded to. I assume proper threading,
so when a thread has an offshot that doesn’t interest me, I ignore it.
However, when people respond in the “linear style”, I won’t see those
responses. Hmm, that’s a pity.
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Per Jessen, Zürich (25.1°C)
http://en.opensuse.org/User:Pjessen
Per Jessen wrote:
> I’ve just noticed that this is why many of my responses are never
> followed-up on or otherwise responded to. I assume proper threading,
> so when a thread has an offshot that doesn’t interest me, I ignore it.
> However, when people respond in the “linear style”, I won’t see those
> responses. Hmm, that’s a pity.
my technique is to (in thunderbird) tag (with color) the root posting
of the thread in which i have posted…then, during the next time i
pass though looking i look in those tagged threads if there is a new,
unread post in there…if i see the new post is in an old, long
offshoot not associated with my post, i may or may not read the new
posts…most often do not if it has wandered far afield of the topic…
while doing that, i will also take a look at those new, unread root
post which have an interesting (to me) subject that i might be able to
help in…
that way, i don’t read LOTs of posts i can possibly help in, and
usually don’t miss those post which reply to me, even if not falling
directly under my post when threaded nntp-client/maillist-client style…
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DenverD
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DenverD wrote:
> Per Jessen wrote:
>> I’ve just noticed that this is why many of my responses are never
>> followed-up on or otherwise responded to. I assume proper threading,
>> so when a thread has an offshot that doesn’t interest me, I ignore
>> it. However, when people respond in the “linear style”, I won’t see
>> those responses. Hmm, that’s a pity.
>
> my technique is to (in thunderbird) tag (with color) the root posting
> of the thread in which i have posted…then, during the next time i
> pass though looking i look in those tagged threads if there is a new,
> unread post in there.
That is roughly what I do too - except I scan topics at root, and mark
the ones that don’t interest me with ignore. When a new root-thread
has new postings, I check it out, but I don’t always bother reading
them if they’re not in response to something I posted. Usually only if
it’s a particularly interesting topic.
I do wish knode had an “ignore thread from here on down” function.
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Per Jessen, Zürich (25.8°C)
http://en.opensuse.org/User:Pjessen
On 22/07/10 12:28, Per Jessen wrote:
> Lord Emsworth wrote:
>
>>
>> pjessen;2193917 Wrote:
>
>> And as an aside, you are aware that the combination of “:” + “P” is
>> parsed as a smilie, and ruins the link in your sigline?
>
> No, I didn’t know - must be bad forum software
>
>
Thread: Smilies In Webpages (URL and names)
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/forums-feedback/forums-comments-suggestions/441206-smilies-webpages-url-names.html
But I think as a workaround you could use not a capital “P” but a
small/minor “p”, like:
openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser
Greetings
pistazienfresser
pistazienfresser wrote:
> But I think as a workaround you could use not a capital “P” but a
> small/minor “p”, like:
> openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser
We’ll see if that’s any better:
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Per Jessen, Zürich (21.8°C)
http://en.opensuse.org/User:pjessen
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:39:45 +0000, Per Jessen wrote:
> To me it’s confusing, but is it somehow an anomaly caused by the forum
> interface or is it just the “style” ?
On the web interface, there are two reply options - “reply to
message” (effectively, I forget what it’s called) and “reply to thread”.
Sometimes users mix those two up and reply to a message when they mean to
reply to the thread.
I found it a little confusing at first as well, but have gotten used to
it with time.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:39:45 +0000, Per Jessen wrote:
>
>> To me it’s confusing, but is it somehow an anomaly caused by the
>> forum interface or is it just the “style” ?
>
> On the web interface, there are two reply options - “reply to
> message” (effectively, I forget what it’s called) and “reply to
> thread”. Sometimes users mix those two up and reply to a message when
> they mean to reply to the thread.
>
> I found it a little confusing at first as well, but have gotten used
> to it with time.
Yeah, that’ll no doubt work for me too - although I’m unlikely to start
reading subthreads that I have no personal interest in.
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Per Jessen, Zürich (20.8°C)
http://en.opensuse.org/User:pjessen
No, that does not fix it. But using BB-Code might. At least this will make it look ok for the web-interface; i.e. it will make it look like this:
http://en.opensuse.org/User: pjessen
Or like this:
User: Pjessen - openSUSE
(Note the spaces)
> Thread: Smilies In Webpages (URL and names)
> http://forums.opensuse.org/english/forums-feedback/forums-comments-suggestions/441206-smilies-webpages-url-names.html
i see i put mine in the wrong forum, back in May:
http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=438406
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DenverD
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