This is what this forum sends

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This is what this forum sends as notifications in Russian. As you can see, all messages from all sites other than OpenSUSE.org are displayed well.
http://static.itmages.ru/i/10/0812/s_1281638904_ced1ffc520.png](http://itmages.ru/image/view/49384/ced1ffc5)
The same situation with any mail client and with web interface.

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Dear Ansus,
I have not tested the Russian forums/fora/forum with NTTP/my Mozilla Thunderbird
but I am able to see the Cyrillic letters in the web if I force my browser (Mozilla Firefox) to use the UTF-8 Encoding.
In my browser I can choose this manually under
View>Character Encoding>Unicode (UTF-8).
In my Thunderbird the corresponding settings are also under
View>Character Encoding>Unicode (UTF-8)
but it seems I have not installed so much encoding groups there (? why ?).
If I understood all the right way
the forums software tells the browser that it would be sending an other encoding but is really sending UTF-8,
see:
Wrong charset is russian forum
UTF-8
Because the forum openSUSE Linux does not support UTF-8 format text with accents, used in the…

Have a lot of success and then fun
pistazienfresser

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In my WEB interface even if I choose UTF, I still see garbage:

http://static.itmages.ru/i/10/0812/s_1281640621_b071a84d0b.png](http://itmages.ru/image/view/49391/b071a84d)

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:open_mouth: Sorry, there I have surely reached the end of my limited knowledge. The book in which (nearly) everybody is allowed to write
tells me that there are different types of an "Unicode Transformation Format "
UTF - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But if/the time you are able to use a web interface
you would be able to use http://forums.opensuse.org/other-languages/p-russian/, or?
And when I went there, scrolled to the bottom, to the right and chose “Pусский” in the little drop down menu I see Cyrillic letters.

I have nether the knowledge nor the power/privileges to change something in the forums software.

Maybe Kgroneman can tell you more.
But I would bet a box of good beer on the possibility that Kim has already reported the encoding issue(s) upstream to the source of the program/problem…

Regards
pistazienfresser

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Pусский
(in

charset=ISO-8859-1

?)

Regards
pistazienfresser

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Have you changed your forum language default to Russian? (Settings | My
Settings | My Account | General Settings - the very last setting on the
list)

–
Kim - 8/12/2010 1:40:43 PM

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If I did not, the forum would send notifications in English.

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kgroneman wrote:
> Have you changed your forum language default to Russian?

i believe you are thinking the “screen garbage” is seen while looking
at the web forum page in a browser–it is not (the application shown
in his screen shot is KMail)

or, i believe you/pistazienfresser might be thinking the garbage comes
via nntp–it is not, screen shot shows “From: forumadmin@novell.com”
whereas nntp arrives here “From: [userID]@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org”

and, Ansus uses the term “notification” which i think is the correct
term for what he gets if he sets his web forum account to notify (via
mail) when certain conditions are met (like someone posts to a thread
he is watching, or …)

and, he says “all messages from all sites other than OpenSUSE” are ok

therefore, i can only deduce that something in the forumadmin@ email
notification encoding magic needs a tweak…or ??

–
DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [posted via NNTP w/openSUSE 10.3]

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Hey Ansus,

>If I did not, the forum would send notifications in English.

I believe that is correct.

–
Kim - 8/13/2010 7:52:06 AM

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Dear Ansus, dear world,

what kind of notifications are making the (not ‘workaroundable’) problems?

I just turned my default settings to Russian and got a notification via Email from a new posting to a thread.

In my Email-web-fronted (web.de) I could see only funny things.

My Thunderbird could not guess the right encoding so I had to turn it manually to UTF-8 (at least not very comfortable!). But with UTF-8 turned on I saw something that seems to be of Cyrillic characters:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Ответ в теме ‘Planning for OS update to my 84-year old mothers PC’
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:06:02 -0600
From: openSUSE Forums <forumsadmin@novell.com>
To: …]
Уважаемый(ая) pistazienfresser,

martin_helm только что ответил в теме, на которую Вы подписались, - Planning for OS update to my 84-year old mothers PC - в разделе General Chit-Chat openSUSE Forums.

Эта тема расположена по адресу:
Planning for OS update to my 84-year old mothers PC

Размещенное сообщение:

ken yap wrote:

>
> I think yuuguu works in a similar way to Skype, either by UDP hole
> punching or a relay. As such it should work behind a firewall. I’ve used
> it to remotely access a desktop where both of us were behind NAT
> router/firewalls.
>
>
That yuuguu sounds interesting, next time I have to give one of my windows
relatives support I will give it a try to see how it works.
(I mentioned elsewhere that I started to refuse to help windows users, but
the reality is sometimes … let’s say different if these people are friends
or belong to the family, maybe some time in the future I can convert them to
something that works).

Также могут быть и другие сообщения, но Вы не будете получать уведомления, пока снова не посетите форум.

С наилучшими пожеланиями,
openSUSE Forums

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pistazienfresser

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Yes, letter’s body IS really in UTF (so, for example, I can read it in my GMAIL, that I configured to read letters strictly in UTF), but the subject is still sent in ISO-8859-1. This is what I got from my last notification about this thread:

Received: by 10.229.88.194 with SMTP id b2cs221330qcm;
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:50:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.101.141.15 with SMTP id t15mr1560898ann.51.1281689434439;
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:50:34 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <wwwrun@kozak.provo.novell.com>
Received: from kozak.provo.novell.com (kozak.provo.novell.com [137.65.224.10])
by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c29si6365411anc.72.2010.08.13.01.50.34;
Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:50:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of wwwrun@kozak.provo.novell.com designates 137.65.224.10 as permitted sender) client-ip=137.65.224.10;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of wwwrun@kozak.provo.novell.com designates 137.65.224.10 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=wwwrun@kozak.provo.novell.com
Received: by kozak.provo.novell.com (Postfix, from userid 30)
id 5461AE07AE; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 02:50:33 -0600 (MDT)

**Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?**q?openSUSE_Forums_=D1=81=D0=BE=D0=BE=D0=B1=D1=89=D0=B0=D0=B5=D1=82_=D0=BE_=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=BE=D0=BC_=D0=BB=D0=B8=D1=87=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=BC_=D1=81=D0=BE=D0=BE=D0=B1=D1=89=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B8?=
From: “openSUSE Forums” <forumsadmin@novell.com>
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated
Message-ID: <20100813085032.dd61cba973a5@forums-opensuse.provo.novell.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-Mailer: vBulletin Mail via PHP
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 02:50:32 -0600
So, while the message is really UTF, subject is displayed like ****, cause the mail itself is malformed. The same reason goes for Ansus’s preblems, since his mail-client is fooled by mail’s header.

I bet Kim now needs to use some more magic on this stuff =) Isn’t web-server’s we host on default encoding ISO-8859-1? Or, vB styles dictate that strange outdated encoding for other software? Maybe both? )) Someone needs to check on this

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I’ll look into it. Thanks for the report.

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Seems today the mesages first time came in readable encoding. Thank you.

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Doesn’t work for me.

http://i9.fastpic.ru/big/2010/0820/3d/70285daa6f6c0ab12189fb549a60343d.png](http://fastpic.ru/)

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For me either. Now it is again in wrong encoding.

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It seems that the notifications about replies in Russian part of the forum appear in correct encoding, but notifications about replies in English parts of the forum come in unreadable form. But I am not sure as it contradicts the above screenshot by Lazy Kent.

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Today it looks much better.
http://i9.fastpic.ru/thumb/2010/0826/5a/1540052d498808aedc4c994e7d7fa55a.jpeg](http://fastpic.ru/view/9/2010/0826/1540052d498808aedc4c994e7d7fa55a.png.html)

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Problems again:

http://static.itmages.ru/i/10/0828/h_1282980694_4e6ec3451e.png

Seems it sends in good or bad encoding at random.

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Ansus wrote:
> Problems again:
> Seems it sends in good or bad encoding at random.

i can only assume (and guess), but i think there is a weekly cron (or
ten?) which runs only on a friday evening/saturday morning (somewhere)…

i say this from the almost two year observation of the number of
different times that problems or previously repaired problems reappear
randomly, but only on weekends…

of course, i’m not a system administrator and have been tagged for
observing and offering an opinion from a position of ignorance of how
really difficult it is to get all things ‘just right’…

[maybe it is a monthly cron…maybe several different monthly crons,
spread over several weeks… or maybe several crons on several
different machines on several different continents which, when run in
certain sequences interact to cause problems…but, something
somewhere is instituting old, broken, code…]

–
DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [posted via NNTP w/openSUSE 10.3]

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It seems that from certain topics I receive good notifications and from certain - bad.