Maybe I should have put this post/tread in the soap box forum. But I 'm interested to hear some input from all kinds of people.
It started last week when MS CEO said that his strategy is to streamline Windows into a common system covering all monitor sizes. A app will work on all devices running Win.
During this morning walk I was listening on a pod cast from Swedish public service radio describing “the fall of the giants” describing Facit(mechanical calculators), Kodak, and Nokia.
At home I was reading that our second largest evening newspaper had more readings on their “mobile” site (phones, tablets) compared to the DE site last week for the first time.
I have touch the issue before and asking why it is so hard to run Android(Linux) apps in Linux DE seamless? I expect some truckloads of manure and horse-**** but maybe at least one comment will tell that I’m not out in the blue as usual.
Catastrophe theory teaches us, among other things, that in situations where there are complex pressures the actual change may happen only after a long build up and then the change appears to be sudden. In practice it has been coming for a long time. By the end of this year there will be more non-Windows smartphones - a device which is only a few years old - than there are Windows PCs - which have been around for around 20 years. Windows’ share of all new devices this year will be around 15%.
This has been coming for several years but, because Windows PCs are the dominant form factor for the parents and smartphones the dominant form factor for their children, the parents haven’t noticed that the change has happened and the children don’t realise there is a change because they weren’t part of the Windows generation.
To their credit KDE saw the way things were going and changed direction several years ago; Mark Shuttleworth shares this view and has joined them in looking for a unified interface for all devices. But few have seen the way things are going.
The world is changing; some people have realised this and changed what they are doing; others haven’t and are trying to fit what they do to a world they do not understand.
The problem would be if the world is stable in something. Without changing and ‘‘upgrading’’ world now would live in caves and technology which is the practical arm of science would be in low levels. In my opinion all people want a kind of change in their lives, in their way of thinking.
> At home I was reading that our second largest evening newspaper had more
> readings on their “mobile” site (phones, tablets) compared to the DE
> site last week for the first time.
Because there is a huge commercial interest in making it so.
Most of those “mobile platforms” are in fact “data mining stations”,
with the objective of getting (aggregated) data about their users, very
valuable data, producing revenue.
> I have touch the issue before and asking why it is so hard to run
> Android(Linux) apps in Linux DE seamless?
Because although an Android device has a Linux system very deep inside,
on top of it there are layers way more important than the Linux below,
providing many of the features Android apps need. And those layers are
commercial, proprietary, so not easy portable.
It is thus practically impossible to port Android applications to
standard Linux, you have to rewrite and redesign.
Interesting replays, I use to say:
“a measure of a persons IQ is how much that one agree with myself”. That was not the meaning of my tread. Not at all.
Yes I didn’t mentioned Canonical and its ideas of a unified interface. Nor did I mentioned Ericsson who created a common company together with Sony to stay in manufacturing phones, a little to late. Sony is now alone owner of that company. Ericsson is doing very well on they core business.
The world is changing; some people have realised this and changed what they are doing; others haven’t and are trying to fit what they do to a world they do not understand.
I agree.
Without changing and ‘‘upgrading’’ world now would live in caves and technology which is the practical arm of science would be in low levels. In my opinion all people want a kind of change in their lives, in their way of thinking.
I agree.
Because although an Android device has a Linux system very deep inside,
on top of it there are layers way more important than the Linux below,
providing many of the features Android apps need. And those layers are
commercial, proprietary, so not easy portable.
It is thus practically impossible to port Android applications to
standard Linux, you have to rewrite and redesign.
Yes I’m weary well aware about that. If I are not misinformed A new presentation lawyer/WM has been announced by Google leaving “Dalvik” behind. Will it be any easier compared on my thoughts?
Then we have the discussion if Android is open source or not or Is it even Linux? Is it Android (Google) or DE dist’s that maybe should get in to the line?
Feel free to comment.
Written with a 1/2 and a 1/2 :. I always learn new things in this forum.
Ok… I solved my nearest problem (national id (bank-id))after some thinking and trial&error afternoon today. I used android-x86-4.3-20130725.iso in a VirtualBox WM on my server and picking it up by rdp and got it working on my DE. Download/install of apps seems to work ok. I will try more later. Felt strange to use the mouse/pointer device instead of fingers.
But I can see that the WM of Android takes about 30% more in load/cpu then my not very stripped WM with openSUSE 13.1 and axien mail server and etc. No I haven’t measure the real power consumption yet.
My conclusion? It’s possibly but not very easy to run Android apps on my DE and not very efficient.
So I get back to my first post and say as the 3 nerds in Top Gear:
Why are the young people, who prefer their Android device over other systems such as older style windows devices, nearly always and I mean this, walking, talking, doing whatever, wearing headphones or ear buds in their years, apparently listening to something. What? Would someone explain it? I can’t get it.
I’m not “a kid” (because I’m closing to 40) but I like to listen to music where ever I go and I like to block out the noises caused by other people. I find noises annoying and like a “peace of my own”, with noise cancelling headphones I can listen to my music and go about my business without having to listen to the infernal racket caused by people and machines, especially when visiting a larger town/city.
I guess you could say I hate people, which is somewhat ironic I guess because I’m an EMT-Paramedic Nurse rotfl!
Why are the young people, who prefer their Android device over other systems such as older style windows devices, nearly always and I mean this, walking, talking, doing whatever, wearing headphones or ear buds in their years, apparently listening to something. What? Would someone explain it? I can’t get it.
Well I can understand the listening, I listen on podcasts/sound books sometimes. What I have harder to understand is this SMS/chatting all the time. It takes a lot of SMS to get whatever done instead of a short phonecall witch would be cheaper as well.
I was reading statistics from Sweden’s largest newspaper/media site in the weekend for lasts weeks. ~65% of the visits was on their mobile site. With that in my mind I know that many with tablets (i e myself) using the “DE site” so probably the number should be even higher.
Here in Poland at least it is sometimes much easier to communicate via SMS if you are for example in some remote area and the quality of phone call is ****, wheres the letters look always the same if delivered
Is it still bad coverage in Poland on the mobile net? How is the “G” (3G, 4G) coverage? How expensive (in Euro) is it and is it limited by the amount of traffic up/down by specified time period?
I’m only using WiFi in my phone but that is because I’m greedy. I use prepaid and on average I spend 15 zł per month (3,58 Euro). This is mostly because if I pay 30 zł I get a month of free phone calls and sms within my operators network and most of the people I call are in the same network.
There is quite a good offer now which was recently released :
So it costs 12 Euro per month if you’re using your phone only. (Additional money if you also want to get a home modem or some other stuff).
It says it’s unlimited but it is just for the first 6 months. After that you get 25 GB of limit and no limit during the night. The normal speed should be up to 70 Mb/s download 20 Mb/s upload. If you cross the limit they will cut it. (not sure how much) They also grant themselve the possibility to limit your speed even if you’re still “unlimited” and downloaded more than 100 GB in a month.
The problem for me is that me and my brother live on quite big housing estates and even though in a big city the quality of voice call can be **** (I’m guessing due to the number of users in a limited area).
In Russia network is perfect(it does not depends the distance always you have internet and 4g signal in all territories) and because everything belongs to state is not expensive. The problem is in Greece, sometimes you have not internet because of network, sometimes in teritories for example islands you have not signal in mobile phone and 4g is not always available i would say in specific areas you have 4g and it is expensive.
I don’t like to tell people what to doing with their life’s, -interesting article from Phoronix and I can read out a lot of things (not even biased) from there and links.
Hmm… Statistics and measures are useful sometimes.
But also, in Russia, I witnessed the most preposterous thing. I went to buy a prepaid sim card, and they demanded to scan my passport (??) before allowing me to purchase it. And to top it off, there was a problem with some advertising messages i received without subscribing to them, since I didn’t understand russian enough, i didn’t have an idea how to unsubscribe from them, but every sms was eating on my credit. So after two or three days, there was not a single ruble on my account anymore. Great way to rip off tourists, though
in my eye.
and a 1/2 :. I always learn new things in this forum.
