I have 12.1 but it seems I cannot get gnome fully “charged” because my device lacks that capability. Is it just a question of code and terminal. If so please someone
give me the code or must I do something else. Thanks
Well I could argue about gnome= perfect desk top but won’t go there LOL.
So we need to know a lot more about your hardware and any errors etc.
Graphics card?
What driver? You may just need to install the right driver!
Exactly what do you want to do???
I appreciate your not getting into the gnome evaluation, but it where I am comfortable.
If I was in Ubuntu and wanted gnome 3 I would sudo apt-get install gnome shell or some such.
Obviously not sharpest knife in drawer, but I like those icons that some consider clutter.
I have a 64 bit Toshiba L675D and I have 12.1 in a Virtual box 4.1.22
Presently using KDE in the SUSE, but its just not my cup tea. Chalk it up to my being a funny old man 81 and holding.
So any advice appreciated.
OK it is in a VM and the VM drivers may not have the horsepower to do full blown 3D acceleration. It would do better on bare metal. Virtual Box is a type 2 Hypervisor, which means it access the hardware (ie video) through the host OS not directly which makes it slow. A type 1 hypervisor access the hardware directly which makes it more efficient .
Maybe someone else may know a trick or two but I doubt you will get results you expect in Virtual Box.
Ok I am not married to VB. I have a huge F32 and have no qualms resizing to install direct.
So if I did exactly what would I do to get 3D full blown
I have no problem with a 12.2 64bit guest (have no 12.1 at hand) to run
a full blown Gnome 3 in virtualbox here.
Do you have the guest additions installed in your virtual openSUSE 12.1
which are needed for 3d support (and if you have them installed, which
version of the guest additions?), is 3d support enabled in your VM
settings and did you assign enough shared memory to the virtual graphics
card (I use 128M for it)?
What shows
glxinfo | grep -i opengl
inside your virtual machine?
Since to a certain degree (gl shading language on my hosts nvidia card
is reused inside the simulated video card in the guest) which graphics
card has your host?
Any special reason to use 12.1 in the VM, perhaps there is a gnome bug
which is in 12.1 but not in 12.2.
Just some arbitrary thoughts.
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PC: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.8.5 | GeForce GT 420
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.9.2 | HD 3000
eCAFE 800: oS 11.4 i586 | AMD Geode LX 800@500MHz | 512MB | lamp server
Thanks for the thoughts and I probably should start this thread over, but I why confuse the forum members any more then necessary so good bad or indifferent my 81 year old brain prompted me to download and burn 12.2 and install choosing gnome.
Some error messages are absolute others are just depending on how one digests them as in “failed to load gnome 3 experience, most like due menu graphics or driver is not capable delivering so started in fall back”
NOTE: does that mean my Toshiba card is not compatible or what?
I watched very closely during update and I did see RPM 586 gnome shell, is this what it fell back to and is system interaction3D graphics just a dream for me.
Finally if all else fails when I go to applications and accessories how do I get any of those program icons to find a home on that desktop.
Please advise
Am 06.11.2012 11:16, schrieb allen76693:
> Some error messages are absolute others are just depending on how one
> digests them as in “failed to load gnome 3 experience, most like due
> menu graphics or driver is not capable delivering so started in fall
> back”
Let’s start step by step:
Is that still now a 12.2 install in virtualbox or on the hardware itself?
I would start first to diagnose what the hardware of the host (your
toshiba) is able to do.
Google showed me a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250 for this machine, is
that correct?
I am not sure from your previous posts what you actually run on it now
as main operating system.
If I were you and if you consider to run openSUSE on the real hardware
download the Gnome 3 live cd and just boot from it to see if it works
(it does not modify your installed system). And for the real hardware I
would use the 64bit version.
> NOTE: does that mean my Toshiba card is not compatible or what?
> I watched very closely during update and I did see RPM 586 gnome
> shell, is this what it fell back to and is system interaction3D graphics
> just a dream for me.
Again is that now on the real hardware or in the virtual machine?
I am a bit lost since I am confused what you do were.
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PC: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.8.5 | GeForce GT 420
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.9.2 | HD 3000
eCAFE 800: oS 11.4 i586 | AMD Geode LX 800@500MHz | 512MB | lamp server
Martin
here are code results u asked for rather belated
allen@linux-d58b:~> glxinfo | grep -i opengl
OpenGL vendor string: X.Org
OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RS880
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.11
OpenGL extensions:
allen@linux-d58b:~>
I did as you suggested in terms of direct install and whatever transpired I saw no opportunity to try rather then install as I have
in past in Ubuntu. To add to my apprehension at that juncture of the install where you see that manipulation (bad choice word)
that will be done to your HD whew saw lot red and inconsistency of fs whatever that is. Anyway went ahead with a home as well
and have not rebooted and I fear I might be in trouble, but since 3.1 windows I have been in more PC trouble then you can imagine:(
The good news is in VB on SUSE I had never saw the Dock on left when activities were clicked so progress in that area.
I will reboot shortly and thank God for my super grub disk as I may need it. Will wait until I hear from you again and let me take
this opportunity to thank you for your input as I probably would not have got this far with this challenge. Till later
Am 07.11.2012 12:56, schrieb allen76693:
> here are code results u asked for rather belated
> allen@linux-d58b:~> glxinfo | grep -i opengl
> OpenGL vendor string: X.Org
> OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RS880
> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.11
> OpenGL extensions:
Sorry for coming back on that so late. From the rest of your post I take
it that this is now from the real hardware.
Since openSUSE now runs on it you hopefully need not be afraid of
booting again, but first apply all available updates if you have not
done already.
This should be notified to you when the updater applet runs and finds
the updates.
Otherwise you can press F2 and enter gnome-terminal and then in the terminal
su -
zypper ref
zypper patch
some people recommend to do the “zypper patch” twice - it will for sure
not do any harm.
To be sure that your gnome 3 works you already have done some simple
tests like moving the mouse in the top left corner/pressing activities
so that you see a starter panel on the left.
Since that works (pressing the windows key will do the same) your gnome
3 should be fully functional from a graphics point of view.
If you want to enable having desktop icons then in the text field which
is top right (again only after you moved the mouse top left or pressed
the windows key) search for advanced settings and open that - choose to
let the file manager handle the desktop.
My wife much prefers that, since she puts some items on the desktop as
in classical gnome 2.
One comment about your ATI graphics card. You most probably get more
performance out of it when you install the proprietary ATI driver.
I have myself no ATI and I am not familiar with it, so you can open a
new thread for that.
If you are satisfied with the driver you have now than it is ok as it is
and no need to change it.
When you updated and rebooted and all is well you may have further
questions on multimedia, applications and what not else.
Just come back and ask, almost always someone knows the answer.
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PC: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.8.5 | GeForce GT 420
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.9.3 | HD 3000
eCAFE 800: oS 11.4 i586 | AMD Geode LX 800@500MHz | 512MB | lamp server
Am 07.11.2012 23:22, schrieb Martin Helm:
> Am 07.11.2012 12:56, schrieb allen76693:
>> here are code results u asked for rather belated
>> allen@linux-d58b:~> glxinfo | grep -i opengl OpenGL vendor string:
>> X.Org OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RS880 OpenGL
>> version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.11 OpenGL extensions:
>
Hm I missed somehow the version number of Mesa here, that seems to be
from your 12.1 system since 12.2 has Mesa 8.0.
Anyway from your post your hardware works obviously on the bare metal
with your openSUSE as it should now.
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PC: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.8.5 | GeForce GT 420
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.9.3 | HD 3000
eCAFE 800: oS 11.4 i586 | AMD Geode LX 800@500MHz | 512MB | lamp server
If you remember I commented on that particular juncture of the install that I was unsure of. Well if one can do something dumb its me. SUSE took over the entire HD rather then that alloted 45GB I had resized to but that is neither here nor there so I will live with one OS direct and do the rest from virtual-box from SUSE. I have a few questions there, but will delay that for the most pressing. That is getting those icons on desktop.
Left side desktop I understand, but when you refer to text and right side you completely lose me. I will keep playing with it and navigation is obviously a shortcoming, but I will get there.
I did ask a question in virtualization and received no answer yet. You might look at it given the time