I got leafnode-1.11.8-1.x86_64 and I’m testing it, for nntp access.
I got this error:
Warning: opensuse.org.feedback.forums.support-information: cannot parse
server reply "220 1759 <Xilanaz.4c2otz@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>"
Warning: aborting fetch from forums.novell.com due to previous
condition. forums.novell.com: conversation completed, disconnected.
wrote active file with 278 lines
Started process to update overview data in the background.
Network activity has finished.
What’s up?
By the way: the groups have no definition, as we thought:
>
> Hi,
>
> I got leafnode-1.11.8-1.x86_64 and I’m testing it, for nntp access.
>
> I got this error:
>
>
> Warning: opensuse.org.feedback.forums.support-information: cannot
> parse server reply "220 1759
> <Xilanaz.4c2otz@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>" Warning: aborting fetch
> from forums.novell.com due to previous condition. forums.novell.com:
> conversation completed, disconnected. wrote active file with 278 lines
> Started process to update overview data in the background.
> Network activity has finished.
>
What’s up?
Another one:
Warning: opensuse.org.help.hardware.64-bit: cannot parse server reply
"220 4975 <Siminin.4dscq5@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>" Warning: aborting
fetch from forums.novell.com due to previous condition.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” GM (Elessar))
Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Thus, no pan either (no offline mode).
>
i use thunderbird…
it should work as an off-line reader (though i’ve never tried it)…
the nntp setup section reads “You can download your messages locally
so that they are available when you are working offline.” and there is
a button marked “Select newsgroups for offline use…” so…
a benefit i really enjoy is newsgroups, openSUSE fora, email and mail
lists all have exactly the same “look and feel” (shortcuts, text flow,
spelling, draft saving, filters, etc etc etc–feels like ‘home’)
Hi
I’ve built it on the OBS with some spec file tidying up. The only thing
for 11.3 is the following “binary calls gethostbyname(). Please port the
code to use getaddrinfo().” I need to investigate this…
Put it to download the entire base of messages, or at least a fair
number, like a thousand messages from each group. Mine, each time it
gets a response “220” from the novell server, hiccups and halts. Until
you get it, it runs fine.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” GM (Elessar))
On 2010-07-10 19:44, DenverD wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Thus, no pan either (no offline mode).
>>
> i use thunderbird…
I know, I see that in the header. I tried it the first, and I use it for
email.
This reply uses thunderbird.
> it should work as an off-line reader (though i’ve never tried it)…
> the nntp setup section reads “You can download your messages locally
> so that they are available when you are working offline.” and there is
> a button marked “Select newsgroups for offline use…” so…
And it works.
But an advantage of leafnode for offline use is that I can use it together with any client, and keep
only one copy of the message database, not a copy for each client.
Leafnode is a daemon. All messages are downloaded, then you see them with Thunderbird, Pam, Alpine,
Claws… no matter. I could even use it for local message body search.
I could combine it with a client like pam, which has a powerful scoring, but no offline storage. Or
Alpine, a client I use a lot for email.
> a benefit i really enjoy is newsgroups, openSUSE fora, email and mail
> lists all have exactly the same “look and feel” (shortcuts, text flow,
> spelling, draft saving, filters, etc etc etc–feels like ‘home’)
But no scoring. It is not easy to track your own posts with replies.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” GM (Elessar))
Hi Carlos
I’m not up to speed with the config options (never used leafnode), what
do you configure to pull in all the messages? I just played with the
two you had problems with;
Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Leafnode is a daemon. All messages are downloaded, then you see them with Thunderbird, Pam, Alpine,
> Claws… no matter. I could even use it for local message body search.
>
> I could combine it with a client like pam, which has a powerful scoring, but no offline storage. Or
> Alpine, a client I use a lot for email.
understand, but until you find/fix that 220 bug it is not gonna help
you much…just suggesting until leafnode works, try tbird…
>> a benefit i really enjoy is newsgroups, openSUSE fora, email and mail
>> lists all have exactly the same “look and feel” (shortcuts, text flow,
>> spelling, draft saving, filters, etc etc etc–feels like ‘home’)
>
> But no scoring. It is not easy to track your own posts with replies.
hmmm: while reading this post, look up near the top right of the tbird
pane, see a block with a magnifying/spy glass? you can flip that to
search on sender, subject, subject or sender, etc…
type Carlos and wait a second (no enter or space required) and see a
list of all your posts (as Carlos) in this newsgroup/forum…
if you set it so, all messages you send will be in the “Sent” folder
(mine is in the ‘master folder’ named “Local Folders”) where you can
search on (say) ‘opensuse-project’…i guess it is possible to track
replies…just not with scoring…
ps: it is not my intention to try to sell you on using tbird…just
trying to help you find a temp solution to no leafnode…btw, i
enjoyed using Pan for a couple of years until a “new and improved”
version came out which forced me to do things another way…i tried
several others until i stumbled on tbird which does most things for
most of my text message needs…oh, i used/really liked Sylpheed for
a while, can’t remember why i quit it…
> Hi Carlos
> I’m not up to speed with the config options (never used leafnode),
> what do you configure to pull in all the messages? I just played with
> the two you had problems with;
>
> - opensuse.org.feedback.forums.support-information
> - opensuse.org.help.hardware.64-bit
The problem seems to be random, so the bigger number of messages, the
greater the chance of hitting it.
I’ll explain what leafnode is and how to configure it so that others
know what we are talking about.
leafnode is a mini-news-server, a proxy server for NNTP. It is designed
to pull news messages from a server like the one at Novell that holds
these groups, download it all o part to the local disk, and then, act as
proxy for one or several clients and machines, that instead of getting
the news from a server on Internet do it from one local (local machine
or local network), saving overall bandwidth and time.
It is perfect for people that don’t have a permanent network
connection: be it a mettered connection, slow modem, satellite
downlink, on the move without internet…
The administrator has to run, periodically, “fetchnews”, which does the
pulling and sending of posts. The “leafnode” daemon runs from xinitd
when needed by a client.
For the user, he first configures localhost as his news server on his
preferred client (thunderbird, alpine, claws, pan, mutt?), then
subscribes to the wanted groups. Now, the operation is a bit different.
The first time we attempt to read any group, it is empty: it contains
one message from the leafnode daemon that says that this group will be
filled on next cycle. So we have to do that for any group we want to
read, and then, run “fetchnews” manually. After this one runs and does
the actual fetching, the groups are filled. And the client runs faster,
as it doesn’t have to wait for the server at Novel to feed us each post
one by one as we read them: they are already here.
If any group stops being interesting and is no longer read, leafnode
will notice this and stop downloading it as well. It also runs a
daily cronjob that removes old posts.
Elessar:~ # fetchnews -vv
leafnode 1.11.8: verbosity level is 2, debugmode is 3
....
opensuse.org.help.programming-scripting.build-service: considering
articles 263 - 1262 opensuse.org.help.programming-scripting.build
service: 970 articles fetched, 0 killed
Warning: opensuse.org.help.install-boot-login: cannot parse server
reply "220 1248 <avenuemax.4d8xnz@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>"
Warning: aborting fetch from forums.novell.com due to previous
condition.
forums.novell.com: conversation completed, disconnected.
wrote active file with 278 lines
Started process to update overview data in the background.
Network activity has finished.
When the upstream server answers “220…” leafnode hiccups and halts.
Restarting it again works fine, it seems (perhaps one message missing,
dunno). WHich is a problem in that I can not automate and trust the
process.
(I have no idea what that “220…” is).
Perhaps wrapping it up in a script that detects the string and fires it
again.
There are references in google to this problem or a similar one several
years back, reported as solved.
Apparently, the leafnode people are designing a new, version 2, program,
but it is not complete yet. I have not found a place in which to report
problems.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” GM (Elessar))
so that message just says article number 1248 with message ID avenuemax.4d8xnz@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org retrieved successfully,
here comes the full header and message body …
i THINK what is happening is the server is saying here it comes, and
then does NOT send the message…i guess that msg 1248 is not
actually available, but a pointer to it is…
that could be due to a message(s) being deleted or moved but the
pointer now looking to the wrong place…
just a guess…
well, either that or leafnode is barfing when it should not
be…because 220 is not an error message, rather it signals success…
On 2010-07-11 07:29, DenverD wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Leafnode is a daemon. All messages are downloaded, then you see them with Thunderbird, Pam, Alpine,
>> Claws… no matter. I could even use it for local message body search.
>>
>> I could combine it with a client like pam, which has a powerful scoring, but no offline storage. Or
>> Alpine, a client I use a lot for email.
>
> understand, but until you find/fix that 220 bug it is not gonna help
> you much…just suggesting until leafnode works, try tbird…
They are independent. Actually, now I’m usint tbird via leafnode.
If you use tbird a lot, you will notice that it is very inefficient in the local storage of mails in
mbox format - not because it uses mbox, but because it does not reclaim deleted space automatically,
you have to expurge the files manually. Other clients using mbox do not have this problem (Alpine).
Leafnode is very efficient, if you use it in a reiserfs partition (I do), because it stores each
message on its own file - like maildir does.
>>> a benefit i really enjoy is newsgroups, openSUSE fora, email and mail
>>> lists all have exactly the same “look and feel” (shortcuts, text flow,
>>> spelling, draft saving, filters, etc etc etc–feels like ‘home’)
>>
>> But no scoring. It is not easy to track your own posts with replies.
>
> hmmm: while reading this post, look up near the top right of the tbird
> pane, see a block with a magnifying/spy glass? you can flip that to
> search on sender, subject, subject or sender, etc…
I know. Hey, I use Th a lot
> type Carlos and wait a second (no enter or space required) and see a
> list of all your posts (as Carlos) in this newsgroup/forum…
Yes.
But what it does not do is automatically highlight or mark or move to another window… something,
whenever a message appears in a thread to which I posted. It might be the “watch this thread” (W),
but you have to do that manually. Then, you have to select in “view” to select those watched threads
with unread messages. And then, go manually to each group, and do that view command, then undo it,
because it is not global, and it sticks.
I can create a filter that does the marking, but the filter is not global, it is one per group, AFAIK.
What I want is not easily miss a reply to something I asked in any group… and do it fast.
> if you set it so, all messages you send will be in the “Sent” folder
> (mine is in the ‘master folder’ named “Local Folders”) where you can
> search on (say) ‘opensuse-project’…i guess it is possible to track
> replies…just not with scoring…
>
> ps: it is not my intention to try to sell you on using tbird…just
> trying to help you find a temp solution to no leafnode…btw, i
> enjoyed using Pan for a couple of years until a “new and improved”
> version came out which forced me to do things another way…i tried
> several others until i stumbled on tbird which does most things for
> most of my text message needs…oh, i used/really liked Sylpheed for
> a while, can’t remember why i quit it…
I’m testing those three (four) clients. All of them have features I like and something I miss.
On pan I discovered two nice features: I can have a master and a secondary news server. I can have
leafnode as master, novell as secondary. Another is that I think I discovered how to move from one
computer to another the markings, so as to know what I read, replied, etc. Not tested yet.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” GM (Elessar))
> If you use tbird a lot, you will notice that it is very inefficient in
> the local storage of mails in mbox format - not because it uses mbox,
> but because it does not reclaim deleted space automatically, you have
> to expurge the files manually. Other clients using mbox do not have
> this problem (Alpine).
I use TB as my only mail-client, but I can’t say I’ve noticed any space
problems. Maybe because space is cheap so I don’t keep an eye on it.
Anyway, TB has an option to automatically compact folders when it’ll
save more than Xkb.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
> I can create a filter that does the marking, but the filter is not
> global, it is one per group, AFAIK.
remember, i’m not in the push t-bird on people business…but i can
tell you that it took me a long time to discover that you can make
filters global within accounts (not only one per newsgroup)…in other
words i have an account named ‘novell’ which is an nntp account with
several of these fora subscribed, another named news.tele.dk with a
number of newsgroups subscribed, etc…
if i click on novell (on the left in t-bird) i get a chance on the
right to click on “manage newsgroup subscriptions” and other things
including “manage message filters”…click there to make filters
applicable to ALL fora/newsgroups within that account…but if you
just wanna ploink one person in one forum, then click on THAT forum
(on the left) and do the dirty…
> What I want is not easily miss a reply to something I asked in any
> group… and do it fast.
technique i use is when i reply to (or create) a thread i tag it
[right click on subject, select Tag > Important (or whatever)] then my
usual is to open up a group, threaded and listed by date…that way
all of the unread fall to the top (or bottom) your choice…
once the group is opened, i hit space and it jumps to the first unread
note…i scan the subject and look to see if the thread is
tagged…and, either move on (space space space) or not…
i get though it pretty fast…and, don’t often miss a reply i need to
service (though i do miss some…because i’m too old and dumb to always tag…so, i may see replies in threads not tagged and just
keep moving…
by the way, the best (imHo) newsreader which ever existed was
NeologicNews, an OS/2 Warp shareware thingy…i have a lifetime
digital unlock key, bought in the mid-'90s…heh!
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:32:03 +0000, DenverD wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> Warning: opensuse.org.help.install-boot-login: cannot parse server
>> reply “220 1248 <avenuemax.4d8xnz@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>” Warning:
>> aborting fetch from forums.novell.com due to previous condition.
>
> actually, it is not even an error…it is a normal message that all is
> ok:
>
I see. Then it is a bug in leafnode, that it doesn’t handle some
responses. I read they also have a problem with the server at sourceforge
(I didn’t know they have nntp), because it doesn’t support something they
need.
Jul 11 18:23:58 Elessar fetchnews[25540]: >.
Jul 11 18:23:59 Elessar fetchnews[25540]: <441 Posting Failed (Rejected
by POST filter)
Jul 11 18:23:59 Elessar fetchnews[25540]: >STAT
<alpine.LNX.2.00.1007111821580.25443@Elessar.valinor>
Jul 11 18:23:59 Elessar fetchnews[25540]: <430 No Such Article
Jul 11 18:23:59 Elessar fetchnews[25540]: forums.novell.com:
postarticles: Article file 25531-1278865413-1 Message-ID
<alpine.LNX.2.00.1007111821580.25443@Elessar.valinor> was rejected: “441
Posting Failed (Rejected by POST filter)”
Jul 11 18:23:59 Elessar fetchnews[25540]: moving file 25531-1278865413-1
to failed.postings
Jul 11 18:23:59 Elessar fetchnews[25540]: forums.novell.com: 0 articles
posted.
Jul 11 18:23:59 Elessar fetchnews[25540]: >DATE
Jul 11 18:23:59 Elessar fetchnews[25540]: <111 20100711162358
Jul 11 18:23:59 Elessar fetchnews[25540]: check_date: forums.novell.com:
server time 1278865438, our time 1278865439
I suspect Novell server is rejecting articles containing mime. And I
don’t have any control over that in Alpine: I think it uses mime because
the test message contains accented letters.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” GM (Elessar))
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:30:07 +0000, Per Jessen wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> If you use tbird a lot, you will notice that it is very inefficient in
>> the local storage of mails in mbox format - not because it uses mbox,
>> but because it does not reclaim deleted space automatically, you have
>> to expurge the files manually. Other clients using mbox do not have
>> this problem (Alpine).
>
> I use TB as my only mail-client, but I can’t say I’ve noticed any space
> problems. Maybe because space is cheap so I don’t keep an eye on it.
> Anyway, TB has an option to automatically compact folders when it’ll
> save more than Xkb.
Could be that. Someone I know had it using several hundred megabytes of
space, even after deleting all mail. You have to compact it, and it takes
some time. Other agents handle it better, reusing free space or
compacting much faster without the user noticing it.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” GM (Elessar))
Hi
If you set the max articles to say 500 it works fine and you won’t get
an error. I can then pull all articles including the one it errors on
in the build-service group.
