system will not fully poweroff

user · January 10, 2011, 3:09pm

Built new system and installed openSUSE 11.3 x86_64 with Gnome desktop
about 6 weeks ago.
Have never been able to get the system to shutdown or fully poweroff
using the installed OS.
If I use the Knoppix live CD - no problem. System boots up fine and
shuts down and powers off correctly.
With the installed OS, it originally crashed on shutdown and had to
power off using the power button. After trying many things, the OS shuts
down, powers off the fans etc, but the keyboard is still lit.
I cannot restart the system without turning off power at the power supply.
Starting my computer by turning off the power supply switch, waiting
10-12 seconds, turning on the power supply switch and then hitting the
power button gets to be very annoying after a few weeks.

Installed KDE and switched to that to see what difference it might make.
System does not shutdown, but reboots instead. Switched back to Gnome.

Have tried sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now and poweroff. Identical behaviour.

System is completely up-to-date. BIOS, kernel, video drivers.

Any suggestions?

robin_listas · January 10, 2011, 5:03pm

On 2011-01-10 15:09, NanbaRoku wrote:

> If I use the Knoppix live CD - no problem. System boots up fine and
> shuts down and powers off correctly.
> With the installed OS, it originally crashed on shutdown and had to
> power off using the power button. After trying many things, the OS shuts
> down, powers off the fans etc, but the keyboard is still lit.

See this thread, it might give you ideas:

From: kdavis18 <kdavis18@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>
Newsgroups: opensuse.org.help.install-boot-login
Subject: Problems w/ Opensuse 11.3 32bit shutting down and rebooting
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 02:06:04 GMT

You should try “halt” in a text console, with splash=verbose in the kernel
line in grub, so that you see all messages as it halts.

I think that your system is powering down to a state where a key press
should restart it. Check if the bios config has anything related to this.

Otherwise, report in Bugzilla.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)

user · January 10, 2011, 5:50pm

NanbaRoku wrote:

> Built new system and installed openSUSE 11.3 x86_64 with Gnome desktop
> about 6 weeks ago.
> Have never been able to get the system to shutdown or fully poweroff
> using the installed OS.
> If I use the Knoppix live CD - no problem. System boots up fine and
> shuts down and powers off correctly.
> With the installed OS, it originally crashed on shutdown and had to
> power off using the power button. After trying many things, the OS
> shuts down, powers off the fans etc, but the keyboard is still lit.
> I cannot restart the system without turning off power at the power
> supply. Starting my computer by turning off the power supply switch,
> waiting 10-12 seconds, turning on the power supply switch and then
> hitting the power button gets to be very annoying after a few weeks.
>
> Installed KDE and switched to that to see what difference it might
> make. System does not shutdown, but reboots instead. Switched back to
> Gnome.
>
> Have tried sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now and poweroff. Identical
> behaviour.
>
> System is completely up-to-date. BIOS, kernel, video drivers.
>
> Any suggestions?

There is a buzilla report open since 7-3-2010 on this.
(https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619754)

I have latest 11.3 kernel and KDE release. Also on 11.4 MS 1, 2 and this
happened. 11.4 from fresh install shutdown worked and then after upgrade
to MS5 it no longer works again.

Please ad your comments to bugzilla.

user · January 11, 2011, 3:13pm

On 2011/01/10 11:03 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>
> See this thread, it might give you ideas:
>
> From: kdavis18<kdavis18@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org>
> Newsgroups: opensuse.org.help.install-boot-login
> Subject: Problems w/ Opensuse 11.3 32bit shutting down and rebooting
> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 02:06:04 GMT

>
Hi Carlos,

I have looked at that thread and many others in many other forums for
other distros as well.
It seems to be a common problem.

> You should try “halt” in a text console, with splash=verbose in the kernel
> line in grub, so that you see all messages as it halts.
>

When I did this, the last thing I see is a login prompt and then the
system shuts down, but does not fully power off.

> I think that your system is powering down to a state where a key press
> should restart it. Check if the bios config has anything related to this.
>

I have been in the bios numerous times looking at the power settings and
have tried just about every combination of settings.
You are correct. I enabled wake on a keyboard stroke and that does
restart the system.

It seems that modern motherboards are designed for people who are too
lazy to turn off their computer fully and don’t want to have to use the
power button to actually turn the computer on. ASUS wants to use the
power button to act as a turbo switch for gamers. They offer a Windows
utility to configure the behaviour of the power button, but there is no
support for Linux users.

It appears that the default behaviour is to suspend the system and there
is no option that I can find in the bios or in the manual alter that
behaviour, unless your running Windows.

These marketing half-wits like to promote “green” products that are
always using some power unless you yank out the power cord! The power
switch is no longer a power switch, it’s just a standby button.

> Otherwise, report in Bugzilla.
>

I suppose this is a bug, but is it system specific. A Linux live CD
works OK, but the installed OS does not. The question is, is it kernel,
acpi, motherboard, bios, video card/drivers …?

Thanks for giving me another direction follow.
It’s not my ideal, but it will work for me.

user · January 11, 2011, 3:25pm

On 2011/01/10 11:50 AM, upscope wrote:
> NanbaRoku wrote:
>
>> Built new system and installed openSUSE 11.3 x86_64 with Gnome desktop
>> about 6 weeks ago.
>> Have never been able to get the system to shutdown or fully poweroff
>> using the installed OS.
>> If I use the Knoppix live CD - no problem. System boots up fine and
>> shuts down and powers off correctly.
>> With the installed OS, it originally crashed on shutdown and had to
>> power off using the power button. After trying many things, the OS
>> shuts down, powers off the fans etc, but the keyboard is still lit.
>> I cannot restart the system without turning off power at the power
>> supply. Starting my computer by turning off the power supply switch,
>> waiting 10-12 seconds, turning on the power supply switch and then
>> hitting the power button gets to be very annoying after a few weeks.
>>
>> Installed KDE and switched to that to see what difference it might
>> make. System does not shutdown, but reboots instead. Switched back to
>> Gnome.
>>
>> Have tried sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now and poweroff. Identical
>> behaviour.
>>
>> System is completely up-to-date. BIOS, kernel, video drivers.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> There is a buzilla report open since 7-3-2010 on this.
> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619754)
>
> I have latest 11.3 kernel and KDE release. Also on 11.4 MS 1, 2 and this
> happened. 11.4 from fresh install shutdown worked and then after upgrade
> to MS5 it no longer works again.
>
> Please ad your comments to bugzilla.
>
Hi Russ,

I read through all of the comments in that bugzilla report and it
appears that my situation is different.
The first week after I built my system, I was experiencing crashes on
shutdown. I resolved that issue and it has not happened since.
My current problem seems to be that openSUSE 11.3 is suspending my
system instead of powering it off.
The two problems may be related, but I don’t believe that mine is the
same as yours.

robin_listas · January 11, 2011, 4:20pm

On 2011-01-11 15:13, NanbaRoku wrote:
> On 2011/01/10 11:03 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>> You should try “halt” in a text console, with splash=verbose in the
>> kernel line in grub, so that you see all messages as it halts.
>>
>
> When I did this, the last thing I see is a login prompt and then the
> system shuts down, but does not fully power off.

A login prompt? Weird.

>> I think that your system is powering down to a state where a key press
>> should restart it. Check if the bios config has anything related to this.
>>
>
> I have been in the bios numerous times looking at the power settings and
> have tried just about every combination of settings.
> You are correct. I enabled wake on a keyboard stroke and that does
> restart the system.

Well, that’s something at least.

> It seems that modern motherboards are designed for people who are too
> lazy to turn off their computer fully and don’t want to have to use the
> power button to actually turn the computer on. ASUS wants to use the
> power button to act as a turbo switch for gamers. They offer a Windows
> utility to configure the behaviour of the power button, but there is no
> support for Linux users.
>
> It appears that the default behaviour is to suspend the system and there
> is no option that I can find in the bios or in the manual alter that
> behaviour, unless your running Windows.
>
> These marketing half-wits like to promote “green” products that are
> always using some power unless you yank out the power cord! The power
> switch is no longer a power switch, it’s just a standby button.

All machines power off incompletely, nowdays. The power switch in the front
of the box is not a mains switch, but a push button powered by a low
voltage circuit of the PSU, that triggers full power on/off. This low power
circuits allos things like power on lan, or on keyboard event, or time ago,
with the modem ring.

This is the reason for having a small switch at the back of the computer.
Me, I have a… how do you call it… a multiple socket array with surge
protection. First I do “halt”, then I switch off the mains for all computer
gadgets. I feel safer.

Idea: BIOS upgrade, did you look?

>> Otherwise, report in Bugzilla.
>>
>
> I suppose this is a bug, but is it system specific. A Linux live CD
> works OK, but the installed OS does not. The question is, is it kernel,
> acpi, motherboard, bios, video card/drivers …?

kernel, I think; acpi is part of the kernel, too. Even if it is similar to
the other report mentioned or you have doubts, report it, let then figure
it out. Even if it is a particular condition for one type of mobos. Maybe
they can’t do anything, but at least they will be aware of the condition.

> Thanks for giving me another direction follow.
> It’s not my ideal, but it will work for me.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)

user · January 11, 2011, 5:08pm

NanbaRoku wrote:

> On 2011/01/10 11:50 AM, upscope wrote:
>> NanbaRoku wrote:
>>
>>> Built new system and installed openSUSE 11.3 x86_64 with Gnome
>>> desktop about 6 weeks ago.
>>> Have never been able to get the system to shutdown or fully poweroff
>>> using the installed OS.
>>> If I use the Knoppix live CD - no problem. System boots up fine and
>>> shuts down and powers off correctly.
>>> With the installed OS, it originally crashed on shutdown and had to
>>> power off using the power button. After trying many things, the OS
>>> shuts down, powers off the fans etc, but the keyboard is still lit.
>>> I cannot restart the system without turning off power at the power
>>> supply. Starting my computer by turning off the power supply switch,
>>> waiting 10-12 seconds, turning on the power supply switch and then
>>> hitting the power button gets to be very annoying after a few weeks.
>>>
>>> Installed KDE and switched to that to see what difference it might
>>> make. System does not shutdown, but reboots instead. Switched back
>>> to Gnome.
>>>
>>> Have tried sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now and poweroff. Identical
>>> behaviour.
>>>
>>> System is completely up-to-date. BIOS, kernel, video drivers.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> There is a buzilla report open since 7-3-2010 on this.
>> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619754)
>>
>> I have latest 11.3 kernel and KDE release. Also on 11.4 MS 1, 2 and
>> this happened. 11.4 from fresh install shutdown worked and then after
>> upgrade to MS5 it no longer works again.
>>
>> Please ad your comments to bugzilla.
>>
> Hi Russ,
>
> I read through all of the comments in that bugzilla report and it
> appears that my situation is different.
> The first week after I built my system, I was experiencing crashes on
> shutdown. I resolved that issue and it has not happened since.
> My current problem seems to be that openSUSE 11.3 is suspending my
> system instead of powering it off.
> The two problems may be related, but I don’t believe that mine is the
> same as yours.
>
Your probably right, but i wonder if there related. I get past the
login, thru all the shutdown messages and get a message powering down
immediately. then message [xxxxxxxx] powerdown and it hangs.[xxxxxxxx]
is a number no idea what it means varies each time. front power lite on
system says on, external harddisk 9usb 1TB) light blinks and monitor
stays on.

Had this before on 11.2 but it was fixed. Also worked on 11.3 until some
update changed something.

user · January 11, 2011, 6:24pm

On 2011/01/11 10:20 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>
> This is the reason for having a small switch at the back of the computer.
> Me, I have a… how do you call it… a multiple socket array with surge
> protection. First I do “halt”, then I switch off the mains for all computer
> gadgets. I feel safer.
>
>
> Idea: BIOS upgrade, did you look?
>

I did a bios upgrade about one week into this.
Checked last night - no newer version.

I have my computer plugged into a UPS with other things that I don’t
want to turn off (modem, router, etc), so that’s not really an option. I
could use a power bar from the UPS, but I don’t like chaining stuff too
far from the wall outlet.

If I don’t get any farther with this I will report it.
I’ll look for any similar reports first and add on to those.

Thanks!

user · January 11, 2011, 6:30pm

On 2011/01/11 11:08 AM, upscope wrote:
> NanbaRoku wrote:
>
>> On 2011/01/10 11:50 AM, upscope wrote:
>>> NanbaRoku wrote:
>>>
>>>> Built new system and installed openSUSE 11.3 x86_64 with Gnome
>>>> desktop about 6 weeks ago.
>>>> Have never been able to get the system to shutdown or fully poweroff
>>>> using the installed OS.
>>>> If I use the Knoppix live CD - no problem. System boots up fine and
>>>> shuts down and powers off correctly.
>>>> With the installed OS, it originally crashed on shutdown and had to
>>>> power off using the power button. After trying many things, the OS
>>>> shuts down, powers off the fans etc, but the keyboard is still lit.
>>>> I cannot restart the system without turning off power at the power
>>>> supply. Starting my computer by turning off the power supply switch,
>>>> waiting 10-12 seconds, turning on the power supply switch and then
>>>> hitting the power button gets to be very annoying after a few weeks.
>>>>
>>>> Installed KDE and switched to that to see what difference it might
>>>> make. System does not shutdown, but reboots instead. Switched back
>>>> to Gnome.
>>>>
>>>> Have tried sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now and poweroff. Identical
>>>> behaviour.
>>>>
>>>> System is completely up-to-date. BIOS, kernel, video drivers.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> There is a buzilla report open since 7-3-2010 on this.
>>> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619754)
>>>
>>> I have latest 11.3 kernel and KDE release. Also on 11.4 MS 1, 2 and
>>> this happened. 11.4 from fresh install shutdown worked and then after
>>> upgrade to MS5 it no longer works again.
>>>
>>> Please ad your comments to bugzilla.
>>>
>> Hi Russ,
>>
>> I read through all of the comments in that bugzilla report and it
>> appears that my situation is different.
>> The first week after I built my system, I was experiencing crashes on
>> shutdown. I resolved that issue and it has not happened since.
>> My current problem seems to be that openSUSE 11.3 is suspending my
>> system instead of powering it off.
>> The two problems may be related, but I don’t believe that mine is the
>> same as yours.
>>
> Your probably right, but i wonder if there related. I get past the
> login, thru all the shutdown messages and get a message powering down
> immediately. then message [xxxxxxxx] powerdown and it hangs.[xxxxxxxx]
> is a number no idea what it means varies each time. front power lite on
> system says on, external harddisk 9usb 1TB) light blinks and monitor
> stays on.
>
> Had this before on 11.2 but it was fixed. Also worked on 11.3 until some
> update changed something.
I had this once before as well on a much older computer. Can’t remember
what version, but a kernel update fixed it.

I have a feeling that this is somehow related to the kernel/video
combination. I see that you also have a GeForce 8400GS.

robin_listas · January 11, 2011, 11:08pm

On 2011-01-11 18:24, NanbaRoku wrote:
> On 2011/01/11 10:20 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>> Idea: BIOS upgrade, did you look?
>>
> I did a bios upgrade about one week into this.
> Checked last night - no newer version.

Ah, bad luck.

> I have my computer plugged into a UPS with other things that I don’t
> want to turn off (modem, router, etc), so that’s not really an option. I
> could use a power bar from the UPS, but I don’t like chaining stuff too
> far from the wall outlet.

I prefer to be able to fully power off computers and displays. I don’t know
how many power bars I have. Plus the working UPS.

> If I don’t get any farther with this I will report it.
> I’ll look for any similar reports first and add on to those.

Don’t wait too much. 11.4 is near completion, you should test it, see what
happens, and report against it. They might have time to study it.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)

user · January 12, 2011, 5:23pm

On 2011/01/11 5:08 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2011-01-11 18:24, NanbaRoku wrote:
>> On 2011/01/11 10:20 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>>> Idea: BIOS upgrade, did you look?
>>>
>> I did a bios upgrade about one week into this.
>> Checked last night - no newer version.
>
> Ah, bad luck.
>
>
>> I have my computer plugged into a UPS with other things that I don’t
>> want to turn off (modem, router, etc), so that’s not really an option. I
>> could use a power bar from the UPS, but I don’t like chaining stuff too
>> far from the wall outlet.
>
> I prefer to be able to fully power off computers and displays. I don’t know
> how many power bars I have. Plus the working UPS.
>
>
>> If I don’t get any farther with this I will report it.
>> I’ll look for any similar reports first and add on to those.
>
> Don’t wait too much. 11.4 is near completion, you should test it, see what
> happens, and report against it. They might have time to study it.
>

The keyboard only works sometimes to restart the computer.

I have filed a bug report # 663977 if anyone else is having similar
issues and would like to comment.

user · January 13, 2011, 5:18pm

NanbaRoku wrote:

> On 2011/01/11 11:08 AM, upscope wrote:
>> NanbaRoku wrote:
>>
>>> On 2011/01/10 11:50 AM, upscope wrote:
>>>> NanbaRoku wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Built new system and installed openSUSE 11.3 x86_64 with Gnome
>>>>> desktop about 6 weeks ago.
>>>>> Have never been able to get the system to shutdown or fully
>>>>> poweroff using the installed OS.
>>>>> If I use the Knoppix live CD - no problem. System boots up fine
>>>>> and shuts down and powers off correctly.
>>>>> With the installed OS, it originally crashed on shutdown and had
>>>>> to power off using the power button. After trying many things, the
>>>>> OS shuts down, powers off the fans etc, but the keyboard is still
>>>>> lit. I cannot restart the system without turning off power at the
>>>>> power supply. Starting my computer by turning off the power supply
>>>>> switch, waiting 10-12 seconds, turning on the power supply switch
>>>>> and then hitting the power button gets to be very annoying after a
>>>>> few weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Installed KDE and switched to that to see what difference it might
>>>>> make. System does not shutdown, but reboots instead. Switched back
>>>>> to Gnome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have tried sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now and poweroff. Identical
>>>>> behaviour.
>>>>>
>>>>> System is completely up-to-date. BIOS, kernel, video drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> There is a buzilla report open since 7-3-2010 on this.
>>>> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619754)
>>>>
>>>> I have latest 11.3 kernel and KDE release. Also on 11.4 MS 1, 2 and
>>>> this happened. 11.4 from fresh install shutdown worked and then
>>>> after upgrade to MS5 it no longer works again.
>>>>
>>>> Please ad your comments to bugzilla.
>>>>
>>> Hi Russ,
>>>
>>> I read through all of the comments in that bugzilla report and it
>>> appears that my situation is different.
>>> The first week after I built my system, I was experiencing crashes
>>> on shutdown. I resolved that issue and it has not happened since.
>>> My current problem seems to be that openSUSE 11.3 is suspending my
>>> system instead of powering it off.
>>> The two problems may be related, but I don’t believe that mine is
>>> the same as yours.
>>>
>> Your probably right, but i wonder if there related. I get past the
>> login, thru all the shutdown messages and get a message powering down
>> immediately. then message [xxxxxxxx] powerdown and it
>> hangs.[xxxxxxxx] is a number no idea what it means varies each time.
>> front power lite on system says on, external harddisk 9usb 1TB) light
>> blinks and monitor stays on.
>>
>> Had this before on 11.2 but it was fixed. Also worked on 11.3 until
>> some update changed something.
> I had this once before as well on a much older computer. Can’t
> remember what version, but a kernel update fixed it.
>
> I have a feeling that this is somehow related to the kernel/video
> combination. I see that you also have a GeForce 8400GS.
>
Video could be related but 11.2 shutsdown everytime and 11.4 MS4
shutdown. All are on same machine, just separate disk drives. I also had
this on older system with PIII @ 866 MHZ and it was fixed and is working
now. It was a kernel upgrade that fixed it. That was on 10.3 or 11.0 I
don’t remember which. It has a FX5200 card.

malcolmlewis · January 13, 2011, 5:43pm

Hi
Have you checked the BIOS setting for the system to shutdown since you updated it? You could also try the GRUB boot option acpi_osi=Linux

user · January 13, 2011, 8:20pm

On 2011/01/13 12:06 PM, malcolmlewis wrote:
>
> Hi
> Have you checked the BIOS setting for the system to shutdown since you
> updated it? You could also try the GRUB boot option acpi_osi=Linux
>
>
Hi Malcolm,

There is no setting in the BIOS to control shutdown - only suspend.
I did try acpi_osi=Linux and also acpi_osi=
Neither of these helped.
Since I was seeing inconsistent behaviour with the nVidia splash screen
only appearing occasionally, I thought that it might be video
driver/kernel related.
However, I was looking at DSDT a couple of weeks ago and went back to it
last night.
If I extract DSDT and re-compile, I get over 200 errors. I have not been
able to find the source of the errors.
While looking through DSDT.dsl I noticed that the acpi_osi options only
apply to various versions of Windows. The Linux option looks like acpi_os.
Last thing last night, I changed the boot kernel line to include
acpi_os=Linux and then “shutdown” and turned off the power supply.
This morning I started the computer and then shut down.
The computer actually powered off the way that it’s supposed to for the
first time ever! The nVidia splash screen appeared during shutdown and
there was no text being displayed, even though splash=verbose was also
specified.

I will try it a few more times tonight.

Do you know much about patching DSDT?

Thanks,

malcolmlewis · January 15, 2011, 6:10am

Hi
So is it all working ok now?

user · January 15, 2011, 2:45pm

On 01/15/2011 12:36 AM, malcolmlewis wrote:
>
> Hi
> So is it all working ok now?
>
>
Hi Malcolm,

No it is not.
After that one apparently successful shutdown, the computer would not
restart without cutting the power supply switch.
It has not shutdown correctly since then.
If I extract the DSDT and recompile it with iasl it gives me 201 errors.
I think that the problem lies with the kernel, the bios and acpi.
If I could find a Linux patching tool for DSDT, I might be able to
resolve the issue.
There is a lot of info regarding patching DSDT for the Hackintosh
community, but not much for Linux.

Any suggestions?
Thanks,

malcolmlewis · January 15, 2011, 4:54pm

Hi
Strange indeed. It almost seems like it’s hibernating rather than
shutting down.

So in the power manager can you check the settings to ensure it’s not
set to hibernate?

Re DSDT, not really I think I had a play a few years back with a
laptop…

–
Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 (x86_64) Kernel 2.6.32.24-0.2-default
up 1 day 13:40, 2 users, load average: 0.10, 0.09, 0.03
GPU GeForce 8600 GTS Silent - Driver Version: 260.19.29

user · January 16, 2011, 1:14am

On 01/15/2011 10:54 AM, malcolmlewis wrote:
>

> Hi
> Strange indeed. It almost seems like it’s hibernating rather than
> shutting down.
>
> So in the power manager can you check the settings to ensure it’s not
> set to hibernate?
>
> Re DSDT, not really I think I had a play a few years back with a
> laptop…
>
Hi,

I’ve checked the power settings numerous times.
Nothing is set to suspend or hibernate.

I put in the hard drive from my old computer and booted to it.
It’s running 11.2 32-bit. It also did not powerdown fully and I could
not restart without switching off the psu.
If I boot from the Knoppix live CD - no problem. Everything works as it
should.

malcolmlewis · January 16, 2011, 5:15am

I’m guessing it’s bug time…
openSUSE:Submitting bug reports - openSUSE

petermcph · January 16, 2011, 1:35pm

The only time I had a problem powering off, it turned out to be a SATA hard drive docking station plugged into a USB port. It would not release the USB service until I unplugged the USB cable. Do you have anything of that sort in use?

ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO, 11.3/4.4, Athlon IIX4 630, GeForce 9400 GT

system will not fully poweroff

Had this before on 11.2 but it was fixed. Also worked on 11.3 until some update changed something.

Thanks,

Any suggestions? Thanks,

Had this before on 11.2 but it was fixed. Also worked on 11.3 until some
update changed something.

Any suggestions?
Thanks,