Does anyone know when suse linux 11 unleashed is actually going to come out? I went to go buy it, and there are several release dates on the web (that have already passed), but apparently the publisher is still delaying it, and is unavailable everywhere…
If it IS going to be awhile, can anyone else recommend a good up-to-date (meaning suse 11.1 +) book for a beginner?
Thanks guys,
-cheers
I would be surprised if it came out now; the enterprise version 11 has been out a long time and the openSUSE versions 11.0, 11.1 and 11.2 have seen a whole series of changes as the distro has moved from KDE3.5 to KDE4. It would be very difficult to write an introductory text which made sense of all these recent versions.It would probably make sense to wait until at least 11.3 when KDE4 has really bedded down.
Well, thats the thing,
this book say its based upon, or up to, 11.1. Again, It has several release dates out there (one of which was as soon as this last Feb.), and I even tried calling barnes and noble for some info, and they didn’t have a clue, they just said that the publisher has delayed it…
…I want it…
…furious…
thanks guys,
-cheers
Maybe this is worth checking out as an alternative:
OpenSUSE 11.0 and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Bible with DVD (Bible)
Some links to openSUSE PDF material here:
Just really looking for something detailed, preferably w/ easy explanations…
-cheers
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:46:02 +0000, subcook69420 wrote:
> and
> I even tried calling barnes and noble for some info, and they didn’t
> have a clue, they just said that the publisher has delayed it…
>
> …I want it…
>
> …furious…
Next step would be to contact the publisher - they’ll be able to give you
definitive information…
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
so,
I called the publisher and actually got a live person.
just a FYI to everyone, SUSE linux 11.0 unleashed (covering up to 11.1, 3rd edition), is scheduled to be released in 2020. this is not a joke, this is what their system is saying.
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:36:01 +0000, subcook69420 wrote:
> so,
>
> I called the publisher and actually got a live person.
>
> just a FYI to everyone, SUSE linux 11.0 unleashed (covering up to 11.1,
> 3rd edition), is scheduled to be released in 2020. this is not a joke,
> this is what their system is saying.
Wow, that’s impressive.
They’re in for quite a surprise when they release a book so far after
11.1 has gone out of general support.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
just an FYI to everyone, I called them again to compare stories…same result
Jim Henderson wrote:
> They’re in for quite a surprise when they release a book so far after
> 11.1 has gone out of general support.
OP is getting answers on SLE_ 11 and you are thinking openSUSE time
lines…
no (print) publisher is going to chase anything as short lived as
openSUSE 11.1–i mean, we here (and other trying to count eyeballs on
the web) can’t even keep up (look at our wiki and tell me if you think
the pages on ATI, nVidia, Skype are actually up-to-date for 11.2)
–
palladium
well with that being said, How long you think until 11.2 is obsolete?
subcook69420 wrote:
> well with that being said, How long you think until 11.2 is obsolete?
>
>
lets talk practical things:
first there are TWO different SUSE around:
one is what we do here, it is called openSUSE and currently our most
recent release is version 11.2, it was first released November 12,
2009 and it will become non-supported May 12th 2011, a ‘lifetime’ of
approximately 18 months
and, 11.3 is due to be released 15 July 2010 and die around Jan 2012
see:
http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Linux_Lifetime
http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap
so, any publisher foolish enough to print a book with openSUSE 11.2 in
the title is gonna find a pretty small window of sales, huh?
on the other hand there is another thing called SUSE Linux Enterprise
Desktop (or Server) also known as SLED (or SLES) released by Novell
(who supports us)…currently versions 8, 9, 10 AND 11 are being
supported at some level,
support for SLES/SLED and others can go for up to 10 years…
SUSE 10 (not to be confused with openSUSE 10.1, .2, or .3) is good for
self support until mid-2016 and SUSE 11 until 2019
see: http://support.novell.com/lifecycle/lcSearchResults.jsp?sl=suse
http://support.novell.com/lifecycle/
so, from the book publishers point of view: if the SUSE 10 book is
still selling to folks using SLED/SLES/other 10, until 2016 why should
they rush out a new SUSE 11 book…
because SUSE 12 could be released in the next months (i do NOT know
that schedule but have heard some say it might be released based on
the openSUSE 11.3 code base…
clear as mud?
a good Linux book is gonna cost you over $50, probably more like
75…see my list of stuff you can use http://tinyurl.com/ybklh48
on the other hand, i am REAL happy with a generic 1114 page Linux book
i bought in the 90s…but, if it had been specific to (say) Red Hat
5.1 i would have probably thrown it away by now…
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palladium
that is a fantastic list of resources. I was really hoping to get some really up to date hard copy material that may last awhile, but hey, guess I’m just being picky…Thanks Palladium, and I would recomment that list to any other new users who are looking for learning materials for themselves, again that link is Beginner resources - openSUSE Forums
-cheers
@subcook
Like all computer books, they are soon out of date and in linux, faster than others.
Most linux distros are similar with small variations and the general guides are available on the net - the how-tos are ususally a good place to start and for suse, the novell linux docs.
If you want a hard copy reference, go for O’Reillys command line reference - it won’t go out of date soon and is relevant for all distros.
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 07:17:01 +0000, palladium wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> They’re in for quite a surprise when they release a book so far after
>> 11.1 has gone out of general support.
>
> OP is getting answers on SLE_ 11 and you are thinking openSUSE time
> lines…
>
> no (print) publisher is going to chase anything as short lived as
> openSUSE 11.1–i mean, we here (and other trying to count eyeballs on
> the web) can’t even keep up (look at our wiki and tell me if you think
> the pages on ATI, nVidia, Skype are actually up-to-date for 11.2)
Having written books myself, I know there are ways to cover the content
in a way that’s version-agnostic. It’s not easy and has to generally be
done intentionally, but it is absolutely possible.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
I think there is a place for boxed copies of distros with a decent introduction manual and it might be worth a publisher doing something around 12 because the turmoil of the transition to KDE4 will be largely over and the new version of Gnome should be out. Many books only have an 18 month life anyway; so it would be feasible for a publisher if they backed it up with a DVD and some smart advertising.
On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:36:01 +0000, john hudson wrote:
> I think there is a place for boxed copies of distros with a decent
> introduction manual and it might be worth a publisher doing something
> around 12 because the turmoil of the transition to KDE4 will be largely
> over and the new version of Gnome should be out. Many books only have an
> 18 month life anyway; so it would be feasible for a publisher if they
> backed it up with a DVD and some smart advertising.
Perhaps - one of the more interesting discussions I’ve been having
recently in my professional capacity is indirectly related to this -
ideas about training course development (which traditionally is done in
book format for classroom training) and how this model may need to change
moving forward.
The close connection is the high turnover but also the idea of many
technologies (especially OSS in general and Linux in particular) is that
the releases tend to be more incremental in nature and thus evolve rather
than being drastically different from one version to the next.
So from that perspective, maybe the thing that would help make publishing
such a book have a longer shelf life would be for publishers to look at a
development model that focuses more on the “themes” of a software product
from a higher level rather than on the details which might change from
one release to another.
Then what happens with a book that talks about a Linux distro from a
higher level is the procedures written include things like:
(Maybe that is too high a level and thus too abstract, but just
describing an idea here)
Then supplement the “dead tree” book with an online addendum that defines
more specifically the processes at a release level.
Then the content can be reused/revised from one release to the next, and
the “dead tree” book component can focus on concepts from a higher level
that is more portable from version to version.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
There is under the docs folder on install DVD information about installing, using openSUSE Linux which I have realized very few know about. Aside from that, what I have been doing is a video introduction DVD to switching over to Linux, planning for the changeover, concepts you will be able to use regardless of what system you are running, new concepts unique to linux, doing installation steps. I hope to expand these video’s to include specific tasks in a way where you learn the basic requirements of doing the task so you may apply it to new versions of software as changes evolve.
Eventually, I hope to have it online and available for downloading to be burnt to DVD as a reference.
I have had this book on order from Barnes and Noble since offered back in October. They still have no idea regarding when the publisher will release it. I got refunded just today but I will bet when it does come out it will be more expensive:(