Suse 11.4: Scribus 1.4.0 RC1 buggy -> Update?

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#1

Hi all,

someone decided for whatever reason to ship Suse 11.4 with a broken version of Scribus.
Not only is the application missing in the KDE-Menu after installation (had to add it manually) but it is crashing frequently.
Whenever one adds new text in a Textbox (which will NOT be formated with the specified default font but the first in the list) and then immediately changes the font without first leaving the input-focus of that box: Segfault / signal 11.
I understand that there is a RC2 out by now and the specific error seems to be fixed by that.

Now my question is: After having decided to ship sUSE 11.4 with a RC: Will further RCs and maybe the final release of scribus be shipped by the OpenSuse Update? Or does the user have to manually install a working version of that software?

Kind regards,
Martin

#2

On 04/09/2011 11:36 PM, smartysmart34 wrote:
>
> Now my question is: After having decided to ship sUSE 11.4 with a RC:
> Will further RCs and maybe the final release of scribus be shipped by
> the OpenSuse Update? Or does the user have to manually install a working
> version of that software?
>

that is a real good question (really it is–i have no idea why it was
done like that)…but, since this is a forum of users helping other
users (with almost zero participation by openSUSE developers) we don’t
automatically have any better insight into the the decisions of what
will be pushed via OnLine Update, and what won’t…

best talk with the folks that make that kind of decision, they are easy
to reach via IRC or mail list…begin here:
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels

AH! WAIT!! i think i see the reason RC was shipped: “Note: Newer Scribus
version can open the older version’s file, but the opposite is not true.
Stable Scribus 1.3.3.14 cannot open developmental Scribus 1.4.0 files.
There is no way to convert the file back once you switch it to the newer
branch. However, you can run both branches in parallel to test the new
functionality.”
cite: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Download

i’ve never used Scribus, but if you have been using and have a bunch of
work to continue, there is still access to the older (and i guess stable
and working) 1.3.3 here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/scribus/files/scribus/1.3.3.14/scribus-1.3.3.14-.27.1.suse11.2.i586.rpm/download

and this version is available in the openSUSE 11.3 repos as well:
scribus-1.3.3.14-1.11

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#3

DenverD wrote:
> On 04/09/2011 11:36 PM, smartysmart34 wrote:
>>
>> Now my question is: After having decided to ship sUSE 11.4 with a RC:
>> Will further RCs and maybe the final release of scribus be shipped by
>> the OpenSuse Update? Or does the user have to manually install a working
>> version of that software?
>>
>
> that is a real good question (really it is–i have no idea why it was
> done like that)…but, since this is a forum of users helping other
> users (with almost zero participation by openSUSE developers) we don’t
> automatically have any better insight into the the decisions of what
> will be pushed via OnLine Update, and what won’t…
>
> best talk with the folks that make that kind of decision, they are easy
> to reach via IRC or mail list…begin here:
> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels
>
> AH! WAIT!! i think i see the reason RC was shipped: “Note: Newer Scribus
> version can open the older version’s file, but the opposite is not true.
> Stable Scribus 1.3.3.14 cannot open developmental Scribus 1.4.0 files.
> There is no way to convert the file back once you switch it to the newer
> branch. However, you can run both branches in parallel to test the new
> functionality.”
> cite: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Download
>
> i’ve never used Scribus, but if you have been using and have a bunch of
> work to continue, there is still access to the older (and i guess stable
> and working) 1.3.3 here:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/scribus/files/scribus/1.3.3.14/scribus-1.3.3.14-.27.1.suse11.2.i586.rpm/download
>
>
> and this version is available in the openSUSE 11.3 repos as well:
> scribus-1.3.3.14-1.11
>

To answer several questions:

Note, I am an openSUSE member, packager, KDE team member and a founder
of Scribus.

I decided to ship 1.4.0.rc in 11.4 as we had expected to deliver 1.4.0
final by release date. However, we have had some crash reports on other
distros, which we now are resolving slowly, as well as a late feature
add which has triggered some other corner case bugs.

Moreover, Scribus 1.4.x is Qt4 based, not Qt3 like 1.3.3.14. From the
Scribus team’s perspective. 1.3.3.14 is history, will not receive bug
fixes and is no longer recommended to be shipped by any distro.

1.4.x has been a substantial refactoring, with over 1500 bugs and
feature requests resolved. It is fundamentally better in so many ways we
are taking weeks to prepare the release notes.

Once we have 1.4 final, a maintenance release will most certainly done
as soon as possible.

As for the bug mentioned, it is relatively minor and any crashes need to
have a back trace for us to find the issue. Sometimes, it is caused by
faulty fonts or video drivers.

Hope that helps,

Peter

#4

On 04/14/2011 09:28 PM, mrdocs wrote:
>
> Note, I am an openSUSE member, packager, KDE team member and a founder
> of Scribus.
>

THANKS for the ‘straight from the horse’s mouth’ info…really!

drop in as often as you have time–we could use more . . .

click this often -> http://tinyurl.com/scribus4Peter

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#5

It seems: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680533 might be the cause of the icon problem. Please advise if this fixes the issue.

#6

mrdocs wrote:
>
> It seems: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680533 might be
> the cause of the icon problem. Please advise if this fixes the issue.
>
>

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680533 might be the issue.

#7

Hmm, I noticed that RC3 is now available in the KDE46 repo, and went to install it a few minutes ago. A new item (sans icon) named DTP (Scribus) appears in my KDE menu but clicking on it yields no activity whatsover. Trying to run “scribus” from the konsole does nothing either (that seemed to work with RC1 as it came with vanilla 11.4). Has anyone managed to get it to work?

Edit: just went into Yast again and noticed that it did not show up as installed. Ticked the box again and this time it worked. Odd, but glad it’s now working.

#8

RC5 is now out and should appear in KDF and KDE:UpdatedApps soon

#9

RC4 landed on this desktop the other day, eagerly looking forward to RC5 and, of course, the final release. Scribus has come along nicely in recent years, to the point where I’m seriously considering dumping InDesign for my next DTP job.

#10

gminnerup wrote:

>
> Hmm, I noticed that RC3 is now available in the KDE46 repo, and went to
> install it a few minutes ago. A new item (sans icon) named DTP (Scribus)
> appears in my KDE menu but clicking on it yields no activity whatsover.
> Trying to run “scribus” from the konsole does nothing either (that
> seemed to work with RC1 as it came with vanilla 11.4). Has anyone
> managed to get it to work?
>
> Edit: just went into Yast again and noticed that it did not show up as
> installed. Ticked the box again and this time it worked. Odd, but glad
> it’s now working.
>
>
I have 1.4.0 RC4 working fine. starts from my desktop folder using icon
copied from menu. Hopefully RC5 will have a few more bug fixes.

Using Scribue to start publishing my Lions club newletter (varies from 3 -
8 pages) Have been using LibreOffice. in both cases I conver doc to pdf
before distributing it. LO seems to do a little better at converting to
pdf, especially the graphics. If I get them to the resolution preflight
verifier wants, they are to small to see.

Other than that no complaints.

Russ
openSUSE 11.4(2.6.37.6-0.5-desktop)|KDE Platform Version 4.6.4 (4.6.4)
“release 8”|Intel core2duo 2.5 MHZ,|8GB DDR3|GeForce 8400GS (NVIDIA-Linux-
x86_64-270.41.06)

#11

i am new to both linux as well as scribus. i have been a newsroom manager of a newspaper and am used to the commercial applications like indesign and quark. i liked scribus and downloaded it on my other windows system. there are no problems except that i needed ghostscript.
however, when i try to install scribus in opensuse 11.4 i failed.
scribus 1.3.3.14.27 did not install and said that libpython.so was missing.
i downloaded scribus 1.4.0.rc5. tarball from sourceforge and i could only save it and have not been able to install it even with an application installer in the YaST2.
i guess i need to understand linux more and not expect simple click to install packages
i would like to congratulate mrdocs for his wonderful package. there are minor issues when compared to a commercial package, but that does not matter.

#12

Particularly if you are new to openSUSE, never download anything from another site; use YaST>Software Management or do a search in software.opensuse.org. There you will find rc5 in a couple of repos. I downloaded mine from Education. Since doing that, I have received regular updates whenever it was updated.

BTW, once you have subscribed to a repo like Education, you may find other applications which are updated more frequently than in the standard openSUSE repos. Highlight the application in YaST Software Management and check the versions available through the repos to which you are subscribed.

#13

There is more to say about scribus 1.4.0.rc5 installed from openSUSE-Education repo:

# zypper info scribus

Information for package scribus:

Repository: @System
Name: scribus
Version: 1.4.0.rc5-7.1
Arch: x86_64
Vendor: openSUSE-Education
Installed: Yes
Status: up-to-date
Installed Size: 67.2 MiB

It doesn’t only crash immediately:


#scribus
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
  what():  std::bad_alloc
Scribus Crash
-------------
Scribus crashes due to Signal #6
Calling Emergency Save

It also prevents sawfish from starting (!!!). Don’t ask me who’s using sawfish today! Some people do.

error--> (file-error "No such file or directory" "/usr/share/applications/vnd.scribus.desktop")
error--> (file-error "No such file or directory" "/usr/share/applications/vnd.scribus.desktop")
xinit: connection to X server lost

Then I looked at /usr/share/applications/vnd.scribus.desktop (a symlink) installed by sawfish:

rpm -qf /usr/share/applications/vnd.scribus.desktop
scribus-1.4.0.rc5-7.1.x86_64

And here’s what I found :open_mouth:

# readlink /usr/share/applications/vnd.scribus.desktop 
../../src/packages/BUILDROOT/scribus-1.4.0.rc5-7.1.x86_64/usr/share/mimelnk/application/vnd.scribus.desktop

Removing this symlink allows sawfish to start again.
Please remove at least that orphan symlink from the package!

#14

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:46:03 +0530, please try again
<please_try_again@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

> There is more to say about scribus 1.4.0.rc5 installed from
> openSUSE-Education repo:

this has probably not much to do with this thread (which i didn’t read
until now), but scribus 1.4 rc5 installed from KDE:/Distro:/Factory works
fine.

–
phani.

#15

Can you tell me if you have this symlink /usr/share/applications/vnd.scribus.desktop - which doesn’t bother scribus but just prevents X from starting while using sawfish?

#16

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:46:03 +0530, please try again
<please_try_again@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>
> phanisvara;2378358 Wrote:
>>
>> this has probably not much to do with this thread (which i didn’t read
>> until now), but scribus 1.4 rc5 installed from KDE:/Distro:/Factory
>> works
>> fine.
>> –
>> phani.
>
> Can you tell me if you have this symlink
> /usr/share/applications/vnd.scribus.desktop - which doesn’t bother
> scribus but just prevents X from starting while using sawfish?
>

yes, i do. it points to


.../../src/packages/BUILDROOT/scribus-1.4.0.rc5-36.1.x86_64/usr/share/mimelnk/application/vnd.scribus.desktop

a location that doesn’t exist – which doesn’t seem to bother ‘my’ scribus.

i also found that scribus isn’t in my KDE menu; i never noticed, since i
start most app’s via krunner.

–
phani.

#17

just saw that this link doesn’t bother any scribus, but sawfish; never mind.

i’d also like to add that this latest (?) scribus runs a bit sluggish, when moving text or image frames around the screen per example. i haven’t been using it much; thought i’d need it at one time, but finally didn’t, and have been carrying it aroud since. feels like GIMP (from git) did at some development stages that weren’t very well optimized.

there have been quite a few updates to scribus RC1 from the KDF repo recently; perhaps those will filter down to other repos too, and fix the crashing, eventually.

#18

All right, I solved the crashing problem by deleting ~/.config/Trolltech.conf.

#19

This symlink also causes an error (non fatal though) everytime SuSEconfig is run, like after a zypper update. It should really be removed from the package.

 Reading /etc/sysconfig and updating the system...
Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.glib2...
/sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.glib2: line 80: /usr/share/applications/vnd.scribus.desktop: No such file or directory
/sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.glib2: line 83: read: read error: 0: Bad file descriptor
Finished.