Suggestions for openSUSE-11.0 Newbie Installation stickie?

Welcome to a thread on the openSUSE-11.0 Newbie Installation stickie.

If you have any suggestions about the “Newbie” openSUSE-11.0 installation stickie, which is located here:
please reply here.

As appropriate, the mods and the admin can update that stickie to correct errors, or improve the guidance.

Thankyou for your input.

For good single layer media I suggest Taiyo Yuden DVD+R and burning no faster than 4x.

For dual layer if you are downloading the BiArch DVD, I suggest Verbatim DVD+R DL burning no faster than 2.4x. Make sure it is “MIS” - Made in Singapore (This is very, very important! - check the label on the container!)

I master many discs for my job and have had no bad burns with this media unless I brainlessly burn the wrong data, burn too fast, or burn with a dying drive. This media, especially the Taiyo Yuden, is also very good for archiving.

I won’t go into a fight over DVD+R and DVD-R - just know that +R has better error checking and bitsetting (ignore this if you don’t know what that means.)

Hope this helps,

Thanks oldcpu,
I installed few hours ago the opensuse 11, it was by default installed with KDE4.
Opensuse 11 seems wonderful, a great job done especially under the hood, in Yast in particular… it is much faster to install, to boot, to even shut down, or anything else with Yast.

The strange thing that I never encountered the option to select KDE3. That was funny, I read several posts saying I’d have the choice… but I don’t know why I never had this option though I installed from the live cd 3 times.

Maybe a thread is needed to help users install opensuse 11 with KDE3 as a default.

Any advise on how to install or switch?

You mean to say, you did not see a display that looked like the one here (under desktop selection)?
Installation openSUSE-11.0 DVD Install - Step_5:_Desktop_selection

Nop… not at all…
How can this happen?!:eek:

p.s. I installed from live cd. The image indicates it comes from dvd

Hi, I think it would be a nice idea to explain the differenct architectures suse has and which one the new user should download as well as what a md5sum is and why it is necessary cause I bet many people won’t know about it cause even I didn’t till I tried Linux :wink:

The kde 4 warning should be on top and I think better explanation is needed about what kde 4 and stuff r as in what a desktop environment is etc, other than that no improvements needed in the guide :slight_smile:

Hi snakeyes,

I think now we need 2 things:

  1. is the cd different than the dvd so that the desktop selection doesn’t appear ? anyone installed from cd?
  2. how to revert to kde3 or how to get this option to appear?


yeah explaining to the new user what the difference between a cd and dvd is will be a good idea as well

sorry oldcpu, sorry snakeyes
It was all my fault!
My question was so silly in the first place.
The live cd has only KDE4 not KDE3 or Gnome!
On the download page it reads ‘Live CD KDE 4 (644 MB)’:stuck_out_tongue:

This was all my fault. This is what I get when I insist on going on even if I’m sleepy.

I’m awfully sorry guys.

I think it is time to stop being a workaholic!:frowning:

no problem :slight_smile:


A suggestion; what about helping new users when deciding the architecture (x86/x86_64)? It’s actually the first choice to make, yet there is no help when deciding even in the download section.

Wellcome Kzarog,

I hope you will enjoy opensuse 11.0
Simply you have to download according to the architecture you have, if your machine is x86 you select this option, if it is x86_64 you select this.

I’d recommend to download the DVD as it has 3 desktops to select from, KDE 3.5.x, KDE 4.0, and GNOME. If you read through this forum you will find that KDE 4.0 is not ready for end users, so you are left with KDE 3.5 and GNOME. But I’d recommend you select KDE 3.5 during installation NOT KDE 4 for now, it looks better than GNOME (to my eyes at least), and I think most users prefer it.

I would advise as well to make the download via torrent, it guarantees a correct download.

Go ahead and enjoy.

Hi Limotux, thank you for the advice but I’m actually an openSUSE user for 2-3years now :).

What I was suggesting, was for a special section in the sticky Newbie pre-Installation Guide explaining in more detail the selection between the architectures; for example benefits using the x86_64 version in newer equipment but also limitations such as missing propriety software etc.

please check this filename into iso x86:

For the purposes of a newbies sticky thread, it isn’t a silly question though.

(As my teacher once said about exams, it isn’t what you meant to write, it’s what the examiner reads that matters.)

We can’t expect newbies to understand about KDE3 vs KDE4 or read the small print. If they have been using KDE3 on $distro, they’ll likely expect KDE3 to be on the openSUSE KDE Live CD.

I propose the newbie thread should mention that the LiveCD does not contain KDE 3.

Done (after reading your suggestion)! Thanks for the suggestion.

KJ44, kzarog,

Sorry, I never thought it’s a silly question. I just was under impression that it was a noob question, that’s it.

On the contrary, it was very important to have such clarification about KDE3.5 vs. KDE4, and that the live CD does not have options other than KDE4, that KDE4 is not yet ready…

By the way, though I am not that newbie (on suse since 7.3) I made the most stupid thing, I downloaded the live CD, installed, then asked on this thread earlier, how come I didn’t find the KDE3.5 option.

So you were right!

Thanks as well for oldcpu for the thread in the begining and the valuable experience he offers.

I don’t think the question about benefits of running x86_64 is silly either…many of us ran i586 on our x86_64 bit machines for a LONG time till they ironed out MOST of the bugs. ** For a newbie just coming into suse I’d probably STILL recommend they run i586 even on an x86_64 bit machine ** …lets be honest…I don’t notice any speed increases under x86_64…as a matter of fact it seemed to be the i586 version ran “snappier”…maybe due to how the x86_64 processes “legacy” code…and you will definetly encounter the oddball problem under x86_64 that you won’t under i586 (x86)…programs that won’t compile being the most obvious one.

I’d prefer not to recommend that newbies avoid x86_64. More and more CPUs are going 64 bit, and we surely shouldn’t be holding back progress.

Yes, using e.g Smart Package Manager you are exposed to the i586 vis x86_64 choice, but YaST hides it. As for compiling, it’s one of those things that improve one’s skill set, chasing down why something won’t build.

  1. Remove any USB flash sticks from the system before booting from the Suse instllation CD. The flash stick may make the linux kernel on CD unable to access the CD driver at package install time. (Detected in a system w/ 3 IDE disks and one IDE CD drive.)

  2. When upgrading from a previous version of Suse (rather than doing a fresh install), save /boot/grub/menu.lst before doing the upgrade. The install CD’s grub setup fails, making the hard disk unbootable. Reboot from install CD, manually mount the hard disk linux partition. Edit as root /boot/grub/menu.lst as needed, using the new file names in /boot. Add in the dual-boot Windows menu option(s) from the saved menu.lst. (Problem detected on upgrades to both 10.3 and 11.0.)