stupid project? KDE 3.5 on OS 11.3 or 11.4

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#21

On 2011-10-19 02:56, steffen13 wrote:
> I also failed at my first trial of Linux back then, with Suse 10.1 -
> and I am not really sure if this was because of KDE at this time.

The first install was, IS always troublesome. Not everybody survives that
stage.

I was not able to get graphics working for a month or more - no sax at that
time. It wasn’t that my hardware was not capable, it was simply that I
didn’t know how. And there was no internet either, too expensive. I got my
help from Fidonet in Dos/Windows.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

#22

On 10/18/2011 06:23 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2011-10-19 02:56, steffen13 wrote:
>> I also failed at my first trial of Linux back then, with Suse 10.1 -
>> and I am not really sure if this was because of KDE at this time.
>
> The first install was, IS always troublesome. Not everybody survives that
> stage.
>
> I was not able to get graphics working for a month or more - no sax at that
> time. It wasn’t that my hardware was not capable, it was simply that I
> didn’t know how. And there was no internet either, too expensive. I got my
> help from Fidonet in Dos/Windows.
>

Isn’t that sad that you had to relay on Dos/Windows to get help?
But hey, i remember that with 4 (was that the version around 93/94) i
had big problems. My modem did not get recognized with the system.

I never installed 3.5 so i can not compare to it. KDE 4 was my first try.
I did had Xwindows, which was ok. Actually i remember to use startx to
start the desktop, if i remember right. So people still prefer it that way.

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using LXDE on 11.4 x64 and happy with a cup of real hot coffee…
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#23

On 10/19/2011 06:17 AM, JoergJaeger wrote:

> Isn’t that sad that you had to relay on Dos/Windows to get help?

i was lucky, i was able to go through the first year (or so) of learning
Linux with Red Hat on one machine and OS/2 on another…and, OS/2 was
always (rock solid) available for consultation with online gurus no
matter how badly i broke the Linux box…

imo, Win/Mac folks who try to get going in Linux by dual booting on a
single machine are at a huge disadvantage!!

imo, especially the mid- to advanced-Win user confident in technological
skills who will (automatically and unthinking/unreading) use familiar
procedures and techniques and thereby shoot the Linux system between the
eyes, without really trying.

like (as normal) logging into the GUI as ‘administrator’ to solve all
problems…

or jumping to reinstall as a solution (and removing all possibility of
learning what the problem was)…

or (as normal) searching the net for an application, downloading it
(from an unknown, untrusted site as a who know what: rpm for another
system, tar, zip, bin, script) and double clicking it to a frown.

–
DD
openSUSE®, the “German Automobiles” of operating systems

#24

On 2011-10-19 06:17, JoergJaeger wrote:
> On 10/18/2011 06:23 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Isn’t that sad that you had to relay on Dos/Windows to get help?
> But hey, i remember that with 4 (was that the version around 93/94) i
> had big problems. My modem did not get recognized with the system.

Everybody had to do that. If you had access to a guru in person, that would
be wonderful. I did not. I had to learn how to connect the modem first…

That was 5.2 or 5.3.

> I never installed 3.5 so i can not compare to it. KDE 4 was my first try.
> I did had Xwindows, which was ok. Actually i remember to use startx to
> start the desktop, if i remember right. So people still prefer it that way.

Yes, of course. I started with kde, but then noticed that gnome ran faster
on my pentium 1 with about 16 megs. At the time kde was C++, and the
compiler was not as optimized as plain C used for gnome.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

#25

On 2011-10-19 10:35, DenverD wrote:
> On 10/19/2011 06:17 AM, JoergJaeger wrote:
>

> imo, Win/Mac folks who try to get going in Linux by dual booting on a
> single machine are at a huge disadvantage!!

You tell me. :slight_smile:

> imo, especially the mid- to advanced-Win user confident in technological
> skills who will (automatically and unthinking/unreading) use familiar
> procedures and techniques and thereby shoot the Linux system between the
> eyes, without really trying.

Right :slight_smile:

> like (as normal) logging into the GUI as ‘administrator’ to solve all
> problems…

Fine with me :stuck_out_tongue:

> or jumping to reinstall as a solution (and removing all possibility of
> learning what the problem was)…

I did that just once. I first installed Debian or Red Hat. Got to the
prompt. Did not know what to do next. So I installed SuSE, which a magazine
comparison said was the easiest, and had the command “susehelp” (text mode).

Maybe I installed SuSE, payed a bit, learned a bit, thought I wanted to
install different, and did.

> or (as normal) searching the net for an application, downloading it (from
> an unknown, untrusted site as a who know what: rpm for another system, tar,
> zip, bin, script) and double clicking it to a frown.

Never did that. I had no internet. And when I did, it was expensive. I
downloaded source code and compiled it myself.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

#26

>> had big problems. My modem did not get recognized with the system.

>Everybody had to do that. If you had access to a guru in person, that would
>be wonderful. I did not. I had to learn how to connect the modem first…

Never had problems with my external US-R modems. It was the darn SB16 that gave me problems.

About KDE 3.5x. I have a DVD I made for a friend in SuseStudio that’s 11.3 w/KDE 3.5 that works great. The problem? I forgot the root password and I made it so you can’t install the OS without it. So how do you get the root pass word off a DVD?

#27

On 2011-10-19 15:16, suseclown wrote:
> The problem? I forgot the root password
> and I made it so you can’t install the OS without it. So how do you get
> the root pass word off a DVD?

Crack it?

No idea how.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

#28

On 2011-10-19 15:16, suseclown wrote:
> Never had problems with my external US-R modems. It was the darn SB16
> that gave me problems.

I did not have problems - only difficulty in implementing the instructions.
When wvdial came… oh, wonders of wonders!

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

#29

On 10/19/2011 03:16 PM, suseclown wrote:
>
> I have a DVD I made for a friend in SuseStudio that’s
> 11.3 w/KDE 3.5 that works great. The problem? I forgot the root password
> and I made it so you can’t install the OS without it. So how do you get
> the root pass word off a DVD?

can’t you just

  • go to SUSE Studio
  • log in
  • select the appliance
  • edit its root password
  • then build it
  • download it
  • burn it
  • remember the new password (or write it on the disk)

??

–
DD
openSUSE®, the “German Automobiles” of operating systems

#30

On 10/19/2011 01:35 AM, DenverD wrote:
> On 10/19/2011 06:17 AM, JoergJaeger wrote:
>
>> Isn’t that sad that you had to relay on Dos/Windows to get help?
>
> i was lucky, i was able to go through the first year (or so) of learning
> Linux with Red Hat on one machine and OS/2 on another…and, OS/2 was
> always (rock solid) available for consultation with online gurus no
> matter how badly i broke the Linux box…
>
> imo, Win/Mac folks who try to get going in Linux by dual booting on a
> single machine are at a huge disadvantage!!
>
> imo, especially the mid- to advanced-Win user confident in technological
> skills who will (automatically and unthinking/unreading) use familiar
> procedures and techniques and thereby shoot the Linux system between the
> eyes, without really trying.
>
> like (as normal) logging into the GUI as ‘administrator’ to solve all
> problems…
>
> or jumping to reinstall as a solution (and removing all possibility of
> learning what the problem was)…
>
> or (as normal) searching the net for an application, downloading it
> (from an unknown, untrusted site as a who know what: rpm for another
> system, tar, zip, bin, script) and double clicking it to a frown.
>

I think i found it really cumbersome to troubleshoot the modem issue at
the time. Not having a lot of knowledge either at the time, it was
making you leaving relatively quickly.

But at the same time Windows (was that 3.11, not sure) was not that
golden either.
One advantage anyone has is, that you knew your previous system well and
therefore you were able to go online in no time.
Linux on the other hand was a new experience and if you did not have any
background at all, it was a huge challenge.
Today it is very different. Linux is so mature now that even 5th grader
can get it to run. The autodetection system is so much more
sophisticated that it is really easy to get a system running.
I think that applies to most cases.

But why is dual booting a disadvantage? I can only think of partitioning
as a major problem. One wrong click and good bye data’s.

–
Euer Komputerfriek Joerg
using LXDE on 11.4 x64 and happy with a cup of real hot coffee…
Need help? Call 207.252.3.96 (really)

#31

On 10/19/2011 05:53 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2011-10-19 06:17, JoergJaeger wrote:
>> On 10/18/2011 06:23 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> Isn’t that sad that you had to relay on Dos/Windows to get help?
>> But hey, i remember that with 4 (was that the version around 93/94) i
>> had big problems. My modem did not get recognized with the system.
>
> Everybody had to do that. If you had access to a guru in person, that would
> be wonderful. I did not. I had to learn how to connect the modem first…
>
> That was 5.2 or 5.3.

Ah, the only thing i remember was it had about 4 cd’s and big handbook
and the box of course. Its a long time ago and since then i used Windows.

>
>> I never installed 3.5 so i can not compare to it. KDE 4 was my first try.
>> I did had Xwindows, which was ok. Actually i remember to use startx to
>> start the desktop, if i remember right. So people still prefer it that way.
>
> Yes, of course. I started with kde, but then noticed that gnome ran faster
> on my pentium 1 with about 16 megs. At the time kde was C++, and the
> compiler was not as optimized as plain C used for gnome.
>

I think Xwindows is ok, but designwise its a disaster. Its rather
functional. So the right stuff for nerds.
I did really missed all these developments, so this is really new to me
and to this day i don’t know what the fuzz about kde 3.5 is.

–
Euer Komputerfriek Joerg
using LXDE on 11.4 x64 and happy with a cup of real hot coffee…
Need help? Call 207.252.3.96 (really)

#32

But why is dual booting a disadvantage? I can only think of partitioning
as a major problem. One wrong click and good bye data’s.

I think he meant that it is a disadvantage because you always need to reboot the machine, when you have trouble in one of the systems installed on this machine and need to go to the internet with the other system, because you can´t with the one which gives you the headache. :slight_smile:

but in general, when I remember my first steps, with Suse 10.1… I didn´t understand it. And I also had hardware issues. And then, 2 years later everything was perfect: no hardware issues anymore, and I learned a lot, reading in the internet.

#33

On 10/19/2011 11:42 PM, JoergJaeger wrote:

> But why is dual booting a disadvantage? I can only think of partitioning
> as a major problem. One wrong click and good bye data’s.

having to dual boot (to get to a working system in order to read docs
and ask questions on line) is a HUGE disadvantage when compared to not
having to shut down the problem system because TWO different,
independent systems on two different machines, side-by-side, with one
working perfectly on a well understood operating system is available for
searching, browsing, interacting, with documentation, gurus, forums, etc
etc etc…

see?

–
DD
openSUSE®, the “German Automobiles” of operating systems

#34

On 10/20/2011 02:55 AM, DenverD wrote:
> On 10/19/2011 11:42 PM, JoergJaeger wrote:
>
>> But why is dual booting a disadvantage? I can only think of partitioning
>> as a major problem. One wrong click and good bye data’s.
>
> having to dual boot (to get to a working system in order to read docs
> and ask questions on line) is a HUGE disadvantage when compared to not
> having to shut down the problem system because TWO different,
> independent systems on two different machines, side-by-side, with one
> working perfectly on a well understood operating system is available for
> searching, browsing, interacting, with documentation, gurus, forums, etc
> etc etc…
>
> see?
>

Only thing i can say is, i wish i had two computers. I am disadvantaged.

–
Euer Komputerfriek Joerg
using LXDE on 11.4 x64 and happy with a cup of real hot coffee…
Need help? Call 207.252.3.96 (really)

#35

On 10/21/2011 12:54 AM, JoergJaeger wrote:
> Only thing i can say is, i wish i had two computers. I am disadvantaged.

one does not have to have two different one thousand dollar game capable
machines to learn linux…

i bought a working four year old machine for $100 from a geek friend who
‘needed’ the latest and greatest…

–
DD
openSUSE®, the “German Automobiles” of operating systems

#36

On 10/21/2011 01:17 AM, DenverD wrote:
> On 10/21/2011 12:54 AM, JoergJaeger wrote:
>> Only thing i can say is, i wish i had two computers. I am disadvantaged.
>
> one does not have to have two different one thousand dollar game capable
> machines to learn linux…
>
> i bought a working four year old machine for $100 from a geek friend who
> ‘needed’ the latest and greatest…
>

One day, i will have a new computer with a new job and everything :slight_smile:

Well, till then its only one for me. I can live with that so far.

–
Euer Komputerfriek Joerg
using LXDE on 11.4 x64 and happy with a cup of real hot coffee…
Need help? Call 207.252.3.96 (really)

#37

Unfortunately, I deleted it long ago.

#38

I am reading this thread looking for tips and how-to’s to get the best setup with the newer/newest versions of openSUSE and still run what are to me IMPORTANT applications which are no longer available in the newer KDE4.

This note is for you folks who think keeping KDE3.x is just silly, or a waste of time, or just being a trip down memory lane. Wake the he** up. I bet if the newest upgrade dropped a key component of what you use everyday you would have a slightly different outlook.

When I first took the chance to explore Linux as a replacement to Microsoft, openSUSE looked to be the best place to start for a dyslectic newbie. My kids bought me the boxed version of 10.0 or 10.1 for Christmas in 05 or 06 . . . I very quickly found the Kontact Container along with kmail and the kaddress book & Korganizer fit my needs like a custom made glove and it was because of one little capability. . .

“Categories”

Categories for me is the cats meow. For example if my uncle Bob, comes to me for massage here in my home town and also uses the nutritional products we sell, I can tag uncle Bob as “family”, “hometown massage client”, “supplement business member” Oh I forgot Uncle Bob is a mechanic here in town and I have him tagged as a “business contacts” as well.

Lets say I am going to have a special program and for my massage clients. Easy, open up my email program and select hometown massage clients, send the email or use it to create addresses for a mailer. Done done done

Categories have been dropped from KDE4. I have 16 different Categories and 1 address book. In the KDE4 I would have to manage 16 address books with each Contact having multiple entireties across the address books.

Therefor being able to utilize KDE 3.x is very important to me any version of KDE Kontact that does not have the Categories capability is not usable for me

So if you have the knowledge to help us utilize KDE3 until KDE4 is usable THANK YOU. If not why are you filling us the blog griping about what other Linux users are needing to accomplish?

#39

kde3 is installable in 12.1
You will need to add a repo too for a better list of packages
Index of /repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_12.1

There is no pattern so you have to work thru. But it does work. I tried it

#40

KDE3 - openSUSE