I’m tired of the constant ad-like messages from news-o-o, especially since I need to keep following the news and translate it to Chinese websites.
In fact,
No one cares what system is used,
No one really cares whether their device supports Win11,
No one really cares whether the unsupported operating system on the old device needs to be updated,
No one wants to disrupt the entire industrial production process by updating the system,
People are using mobile phones more,
People use computers more to complete work, rather than seeking freedom or anything else,
People just replace their computers with new ones when they are broken or old,
Please don’t keep pushing the message of Upgrade to Freedom.
Those come from a feed at news.opensuse.org - ultimately, if you don’t want to read them, don’t read them. But the folks who put the stories together for news.o.o don’t read here (as far as I know).
Plenty of people look for alternatives, especially when Microsoft is telling them that they can’t upgrade and have to throw their old (but not that old) hardware out because the version of Windows they run is no longer being supported.
And plenty of people are certainly concerned about not receiving security updates - and those who aren’t really should be, with the spike in cybercrime that’s taking place.
Disclaimer: I worked at Microsoft, but not on Windows. I don’t work there now, fortunately.
I don’t want to get political, but the issue is two figures: Microsoft’s artificial system requirements and Trump destroying the world economy.
I don’t really understand the reasoning behind the system requirements, unless Microsoft is desperate for PC sales. Windows 11 is basically Windows 10 with a new skin. I installed Windows Server 2025 on a 6th Gen equivalent HPE ML30 Gen9 server, and many times inside Rocky Linux 9 KVM in BIOS mode.
But the economy is where Microsoft really screwed up. Nobody could predict that the economy would go down when Windows 11 was released in a strong economy whereas now is a very poor economy.
People will be forced to keep either an insecure Windows 10 system, use a hacked Windows 11 install hoping Microsoft won’t screw them over, or use Linux. And many people might end up switching.
Desktop Linux is bigger than Mac in India because many developers need a Unix-like system but can’t afford a Mac, so they use Linux. Now, it’ll be most of the world and non-developers.
Many people don’t care about software freedom, but do care about not getting hacked. And if your grandparent keeps getting hacked on Windows 10 but gets told Linux will secure them, even they may switch.
Look at what happened to Internet Explorer when Microsoft bet the horses on .NET which allowed Firefox and Chrome to destroy a near-total monopoly. Microsoft was once happy they crushed Netscape, yet Netscape’s legacy lives on while IE’s doesn’t. Sure, early Mozilla like Netscape 6 might have been worse than IE6, but by 2004 Firefox was already ahead of IE.
Yes. And at the bottom of each article it suggests the forums.opensuse.org as the place to discuss this article and forums.opensuse.org has these messages locked so no discussion is possible. Great.
The text at the bottom of the messages is actually this:
Emphasis added.
We do this because the “News” section is not a discussion section. It’s a section that contains the news items themselves. The Open Chat section (ie, here) is the proper place for those discussions to take place, or on the mailing list, as indicated.
Yes, I can choose not to read these articles. Unfortunately, I am not a reader, I am a translator, I need to keep paying attention to the new news released by news-o-o, and translate it into Chinese and publish it on suse.org.cn.
However, the maintainers of news-o-o continue to push these messages, making me feel harassed by irrelevant information.
I refuse to translate these articles that deliberately avoid the shortcomings of Linux compared to Windows and strongly encourage people to migrate to Linux. Every time I translate, I can hardly do anything else during my rest time at night.
This is an unpaid volunteer work, and I don’t want to spend more rest time to prove and defend my opinions.
I will not translate news-o-o’s marketing articles anymore. There is no need for me to continue wasting time on this kind of thing.
That’s your prerogative - complaining to us here in the forums isn’t going to change anything, as we just pull the feed - and we’re not going to filter it for your convenience.
As a volunteer, you get to decide what you’re going to do. Those of us here? We also are volunteers.
that Tumbleweed recently switched from AppArmor to SELinux (causing issues)
that both Tumbleweed and LEAP 16 now require PC with x86-64-v2 or higher CPU architecture - those “levels” even Linus Torvalds is calling “Completely broken” - that point is bitter irony resembling artificial Windows 11 HW requirements (that is openSUSE supposed to replace - at least on new.o.o)
that Xorg servers will be dropped leaving many (especially older) GPU cards unusable - again we can look at Win11 artificial HW requirements. Also meaning that all X11-only Window managers will be dropped.
So is Linux today really so much better than Windows or are these two worlds converging for corporate profits at the expense of end users?
I has been using Linux since 1994 (started with kernel 1.0.4 and MCC Interim distribution), but was never so worried about its future…
Have multiple Tumbleweed systems with systemd-boot and SELinux, no issues to date (Dell OptiPlex XE3, Dell Precision 5820).
Have multiple Aeon systems systemd-boot, SELinux, TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot no issues to date (Dell OptiPlex 3080 Micro, Beelink Mini PC).
The above systems have a mixture of Intel, Intel ARC and Nvidia GPU’s, Turing/Pascal.
Primary desktop is a HP Z440 Intel ARC/RTX4000 still running grub/apparmor and GNOME on Wayland.
The above systems all run GNOME/Wayland without problems.
All are V2/V3 supported (well the 5820 has v4 support)
I have no useful V1 hardware (well a MacBook circa 2007, it has Aeon installed…)
So in a nutshell, as a package maintainer, I am neither interested in old hardware or in a position to support.
If V1 and Xorg are near and dear to you (and others), then the simple solution is to get together and come up with a plan to support/maintain and it won’t go away…
Well, again, the forums staff are not the news team. If you want to complain to the news team about the content (or find out how to contribute content that you think is important), you need to talk with that team.
Here on the forums, we simply ingest the news feed from news.o.o - we do not control it, and we’re not going to start filtering it because someone complained that they didn’t like the content.
If you don’t want to read it, don’t read it. If you want to effect change in the content, this isn’t the place to get the attention of those who produce the content.
This is how I feel, what was once a small amount of information has suddenly become the majority of the push content. The author has started to pay too much attention to peripheral content that is not related to openSUSE.
There is no constructive value in having this discussion here (as per the above administrator comments). Those that are interested can follow the issue raised at
