I thought those interested in Linux gaming might also take interest in this
[Phoronix] Valve’s Gabe Newell Talks Linux Steam Client, Source Engine](http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln&num=1)
On 4/26/2012 9:36 PM, deano ferrari wrote:
>
> I thought those interested in Linux gaming might also take interest in
> this
>
> ‘[Phoronix] Valve’s Gabe Newell Talks Linux Steam Client, Source
> Engine’ (http://tinyurl.com/cpp9zkd)
>
>
I remember the rumor that was spread about 2 years ago. Since then
nothing factual really surfaced.
It may be possible that they do really bring a client for linux. Can
take only a couple of years. Afterall its Valve.
Still, i wonder if the game itself would still require an emulation of
sorts to run.
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:54:16 +0000, JoergJaeger wrote:
> On 4/26/2012 9:36 PM, deano ferrari wrote:
>>
>> I thought those interested in Linux gaming might also take interest in
>> this
>>
>> ‘[Phoronix] Valve’s Gabe Newell Talks Linux Steam Client, Source
>> Engine’ (http://tinyurl.com/cpp9zkd)
>>
>>
>>
> I remember the rumor that was spread about 2 years ago. Since then
> nothing factual really surfaced.
> It may be possible that they do really bring a client for linux. Can
> take only a couple of years. Afterall its Valve.
It sounds like this is legit - Newell is reported to be sitting in
Valve’s Linux development group now, which means he’s got a strong
interest in making this work (and happen).
> Still, i wonder if the game itself would still require an emulation of
> sorts to run.
The article talks about Left 4 Dead 2 running natively, not using any
emulation. It sounds like the Source-engine based games will be native,
not emulated.
Jim
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On 4/27/2012 6:46 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:54:16 +0000, JoergJaeger wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/2012 9:36 PM, deano ferrari wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought those interested in Linux gaming might also take interest in
>>> this
>>>
>>> ‘[Phoronix] Valve’s Gabe Newell Talks Linux Steam Client, Source
>>> Engine’ (http://tinyurl.com/cpp9zkd)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I remember the rumor that was spread about 2 years ago. Since then
>> nothing factual really surfaced.
>> It may be possible that they do really bring a client for linux. Can
>> take only a couple of years. Afterall its Valve.
>
> It sounds like this is legit - Newell is reported to be sitting in
> Valve’s Linux development group now, which means he’s got a strong
> interest in making this work (and happen).
It may be. I am just skeptical about it for the reason that it was
‘leaked’ 2 years ago that Valve was working on Linux versions. That was
the time they put Mac on board.
There are a lot of people waiting for Half-Life Episode 3 and so far
nothing came along. So in case of Valve i don’t expect anything in the
near future. Perhaps in years, like 3.
>
>> Still, i wonder if the game itself would still require an emulation of
>> sorts to run.
>
> The article talks about Left 4 Dead 2 running natively, not using any
> emulation. It sounds like the Source-engine based games will be native,
> not emulated.
Must have missed that. It would nice to see native written games coming
along.
> Jim
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:58:42 +0000, JoergJaeger wrote:
>>> I remember the rumor that was spread about 2 years ago. Since then
>>> nothing factual really surfaced.
>>> It may be possible that they do really bring a client for linux. Can
>>> take only a couple of years. Afterall its Valve.
>>
>> It sounds like this is legit - Newell is reported to be sitting in
>> Valve’s Linux development group now, which means he’s got a strong
>> interest in making this work (and happen).
>
> It may be. I am just skeptical about it for the reason that it was
> ‘leaked’ 2 years ago that Valve was working on Linux versions.
They announced Portal 2 about 2 years before it released as well.
But it seems reasonable that (a) if Gabe is working as a part of that
team, there’s some momentum behind it (especially given how Valve is - or
rather isn’t - structured as a company), and (b) they wouldn’t ‘leak’
actual photos of the client and a game running on Linux if there wasn’t
something coming along soon.
> That was
> the time they put Mac on board.
> There are a lot of people waiting for Half-Life Episode 3 and so far
> nothing came along. So in case of Valve i don’t expect anything in the
> near future. Perhaps in years, like 3.
Valve’s corporate ‘structure’ is very interesting. I was reading their
new employee handbook earlier today (it ended up posted online today),
and the company is entirely “self-driven” employees. There’s no
organizational structure at all. It’s pretty unique as companies go
(I’ve never heard of a company with nearly 300 employees that has no
‘management’ or ‘managers’ - but that’s how they operate).
>>> Still, i wonder if the game itself would still require an emulation of
>>> sorts to run.
>>
>> The article talks about Left 4 Dead 2 running natively, not using any
>> emulation. It sounds like the Source-engine based games will be
>> native,
>> not emulated.
>
> Must have missed that. It would nice to see native written games coming
> along.
It would. I’m expecting that since Portal 2 is a Steam/Source engine
game that it’ll be running on Linux as well.
Jim
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On 4/27/2012 10:07 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:58:42 +0000, JoergJaeger wrote:
>> It may be. I am just skeptical about it for the reason that it was
>> ‘leaked’ 2 years ago that Valve was working on Linux versions.
>
> They announced Portal 2 about 2 years before it released as well.
>
> But it seems reasonable that (a) if Gabe is working as a part of that
> team, there’s some momentum behind it (especially given how Valve is - or
> rather isn’t - structured as a company), and (b) they wouldn’t ‘leak’
> actual photos of the client and a game running on Linux if there wasn’t
> something coming along soon.
Well, i hope so. I sound maybe somewhat negative but i am just cautious.
Their philosophy is ‘its done when its done’ and as such you just never
know when something comes out.
The episodic approach did not work for them and so there just was never
a follow up. Then came Team Fortress2 and Portal.
I regard Valve as a real good developer that put out really great games
and entertainment. Their steam platform is now controlling PC software
(digital) distribution. It started small and is now big.
So yes, it is (or may be) valid. We just don’t know when it will
surface. But at the same time they do have experience with Linux since
they offer serverclients for Linux since the dawn of time.
>
>> That was
>> the time they put Mac on board.
>> There are a lot of people waiting for Half-Life Episode 3 and so far
>> nothing came along. So in case of Valve i don’t expect anything in the
>> near future. Perhaps in years, like 3.
>
> Valve’s corporate ‘structure’ is very interesting. I was reading their
> new employee handbook earlier today (it ended up posted online today),
> and the company is entirely “self-driven” employees. There’s no
> organizational structure at all. It’s pretty unique as companies go
> (I’ve never heard of a company with nearly 300 employees that has no
> ‘management’ or ‘managers’ - but that’s how they operate).
This is indeed interesting. So far no disaster came out of that house.
So it must be good for them.
Maybe small voice get attention where they would not anywhere else.
I am not a software guy but it sounds a great place to work. 
>> Must have missed that. It would nice to see native written games coming
>> along.
>
> It would. I’m expecting that since Portal 2 is a Steam/Source engine
> game that it’ll be running on Linux as well.
Portal is one of my fondest memories in gaming. I never was able to play
online with that game, but its a great game.
So if they would run all their Source games on Linux that would be
indeed great. Just imagine that you don’t need additional software to
run it. You just run it.
I wonder if they Beta test these games.
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Doesn’t steam client run already on wine ?
Doesn’t steam client run already on wine ?
Maybe, but this is about the development of a native Steam client for Linux.
On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:17:49 +0000, JoergJaeger wrote:
> Well, i hope so. I sound maybe somewhat negative but i am just cautious.
Cautious is almost always a good view to take.
> Their philosophy is ‘its done when its done’ and as such you just never
> know when something comes out.
True, but when it comes out, you know it’s done, too.
> So yes, it is (or may be) valid. We just don’t know when it will
> surface. But at the same time they do have experience with Linux since
> they offer serverclients for Linux since the dawn of time.
Well, not really (I don’t think), as Gabe used to work for Microsoft when
they released their first game, IIRC.
> This is indeed interesting. So far no disaster came out of that house.
> So it must be good for them.
It makes for interesting reading, and helps explain a lot about why they
do things the way they do.
> Maybe small voice get attention where they would not anywhere else.
> I am not a software guy but it sounds a great place to work.
It does at that. Oddly, my stepson may be better qualified to work there
than I am.
>>> Must have missed that. It would nice to see native written games
>>> coming along.
>>
>> It would. I’m expecting that since Portal 2 is a Steam/Source engine
>> game that it’ll be running on Linux as well.
>
> Portal is one of my fondest memories in gaming. I never was able to play
> online with that game, but its a great game.
If you haven’t played Portal 2, I highly recommend it.
> So if they would run all their Source games on Linux that would be
> indeed great. Just imagine that you don’t need additional software to
> run it. You just run it.
> I wonder if they Beta test these games.
All major game studios do beta testing, and I know Portal 2’s beta cycle
was pretty involved.
Jim
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:46:03 +0000, glistwan wrote:
> Doesn’t steam client run already on wine ?
Yes, sorta.
But a native Steam client would be better.
Jim
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Well it depends. If the native client will have all the same features and will be developed in paralel with the windows version then yes. But looking at the example of utorrent the windows binary ran under wine in linux is much better than the native linux client.
Best regards,
Greg
On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:46:02 +0000, glistwan wrote:
> Well it depends. If the native client will have all the same features
> and will be developed in paralel with the windows version then yes. But
> looking at the example of utorrent the windows binary ran under wine in
> linux is much better than the native linux client.
From what I read in the articles, it sounds like Valve is serious about
doing this right on Linux, not halfway.
Jim
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That would be great 
I wonder how do they intend to get around directx.
Best regards,
Greg
I wonder how do they intend to get around directx.
I’m assuming that going forward, games that are built (or ported) using the new Linux-based source engine, will not use DirectX.
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So no backwards compatibility. That’s a shame 
Best regards,
Greg
Starts a service on boot, needs kernel module and root privilege, yes?
If that’s the case I’ll probably just pass.
If it is true, this is huge news.
> Their philosophy is ‘its done when its done’
Sounds like a good one that a lot of companies could learn from.
There are too many, ‘Ship it, we’ll fix it later’ companies.