Hi,
This is not exactly a Software problem but when I go to:
https://software.opensuse.org/
and search for a Sofware for example rstudio there is no link provided to LEAP 16.0
yet there is a repo with the software on:
https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/languages:/R:/released/openSUSE_Leap_16.0/
On many other packages the same happens. It forces everyone to search inside the repo instead of simply making a web query …
Is there a reason for this to happen to Leap 16.0 ?
s.o.o is broken since ages.
https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1202458
Likewise with the move to git for maintenance, software.o.o is even less relevant. If you want a web based search use the openSUSE Build Service feature.
Why does it still exist? Can’t those who keep it alive not be signaled to stop confusing people? While “for ages” might sound exaggerated, it is literally for years.
Just saying.
I’d guess A) because there’s always the faint hope that somebody from the community will step up and put in work to fix it,
and B) anytime taking a service offline is mentioned, somebody will crawl out of the woodwork to kvetch that somebody is killing their spacebar heater, and that SUSE is evil, and forcing things down peoples throats, and that the openSUSE developers are a bunch of morons, etc, etc, etc, like happens everytime, in basically every FOSS project.
So it’s easier, less aggravating, and less soul-crushing to just ignore it, while it still builds and puts up a website.
@malcolmlewis
Where can that be found?
When I search for the name , I only find https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Build_Service and https://build.opensuse.org/ which link transitive to the https://software.opensuse.org/
build.opensuse.org has a search box, right there at the top.
@sfalken
e.g. ImageWriter
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:Sauerland/imagewriter
When on the right side “openSUSE_Leap_16.0” is marked as “succeeded”, does that mean I can use the “Download package” link/button above for leap-160? Even when clicking on it “Select Your Operating System” the 15.6 is available and no leap16-0?
I wouldn’t install it at all.
It’s in a Home: repository, which means that it may or may not work, may or may not follow policy, may or may not remain there.
Home: repositories are personal respositories, or developer playgrounds, and have no guarantees of anything.
(I’d personally suspect that Sauerland’s packages are fine, as they’ve been around for some time, but I’m never going to encourage a user to be installing anything from a home: repository, not even my own.)
Please do not use any /home Repos, also not my /home Repo.
That could be dangerous.
I have had also some problems with my Repo using a lib not working with other packages without any errors.
Oh dear 
, I used a few /home repos in the last 10 years because I didn’t find another chance to install that specific software. What is the workaround if I should not use /home repos and it is not provided in official repos like games/network etc?
I mean I used packages provided via https://software.opensuse.org/ e.g. “netactview” provided by malcolmlewis as I told before (other posting)
flatpak is always an option, the other is talking to the developer of that Home: repository, and asking them to push to Factory, or learning how to package, and submitting it yourself. Particularly for desktop applications, packaging isn’t that hard.
Correct. But you see … when someone searches for say RStudio on obs … it brings back 3 pages of every single possible rstudio mention on every single package out there … for Leap 16.0 simply it does not show up …it is not there! Literally can not be found.
The s.o.o page , while long abandoned, was a huge help for those starting with OpenSuSE since when anyone searched for say RStudio … Only Rstudio versions for each OpenSuSE release would show up … simple fast instantaneous.
Everyone knows that’s indeed is a lot of work to maintain, but that is what made OpenSuSE Different and on Another Level. Better then other distros imho …
same as for Yast being abandoned … Yast was literally what made OpenSuSE Stand out …
And no Cockpit is not good … it sucks and it is a security problem waiting to happen …
These are, among others, a sum of things that make the entire experience around OpenSuSE Leap fade in comparison to previous releases. Sorry … just mho …
@keyb_user1 so it doesn’t build for Leap 16.0?
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/devel:languages:R:released/rstudio
Plus there is no released version, only development…
osc se RStudio
No matches found for 'RStudio' in projects
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matches for 'RStudio' in packages:
# Project # Package
devel:languages:R:released rstudio
home:haem rstudio
home:haem:rstudio rstudio
home:sacsar:branches:devel:languages:R:released rstudio
home:simotek:cmake4 rstudio
home:simotek:cmake4b rstudio
openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP2 rstudio
openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP3 rstudio
openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP4 rstudio
openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP5 rstudio
openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP6 rstudio
openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP7 rstudio
openSUSE:Leap:15.2 rstudio
openSUSE:Leap:15.2:Update rstudio
openSUSE:Leap:15.2:Update rstudio.13987
openSUSE:Maintenance:13987 rstudio.openSUSE_Leap_15.2_Update
I looked manually on:
https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/languages:/R:/released/
directly.
on the Web app
https://build.opensuse.org/search?attrib_type_id=&name=1&search_for=0&search_text=rstudio
the list of that shows up is 3 pages long … no direct link to the repo …
https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/languages:/R:/released/
Like I’ve said … s.o.o was better specially for the newbies on Opensuse.
Very important note: I still think Opensuse is the best distro out there … I use it for more then Two Decades … I still have the First install DVD’s with the book to prove it.
But some constructive comments have to be made. Please do not interpret this as a empty bashing or void critique … it is not. I’m seriously a Opensuse fanboy and quite proud of that.
@keyb_user1 as the development repositories move to git, there will need to be some new tooling created by whomever want’s to take up the task…
If you find software.opensuse.org to be a valuable tool for your uses, then it’s incumbent upon you, as a user, to help make it work.
“I don’t know how to do that”/“I don’t have time to do that”/“It’s not my job”
Then software.o.o is going to continue to become less and less useful.
You may not like hearing that, but that’s the simple truth.
You can:
A) Learn what you need to, in order to help fix/improve/maintain software.o.o
B) Garner help via the communications channels the project uses, for people that have the skills/knowledge to do the needful
C) Learn to use other tools, like the build.o.o search, or search via the osc tool
or
D) Complain that the tool no longer works, and keep posting about it, while it continues to degrade until it doesn’t work anymore.
openSUSE is a “Community Project” and based on history so far, given the huge number of threads/posts here on the forum, that software.o.o is broken, this obviously isn’t the right place to make contact with the folks that fall under B. So I’d suggest sorting out where those folks are, or accepting, that perhaps they don’t exist. I don’t actually know the answer to that question.
Dear Malcolm,
I searched for rstudio on gitexplorer.o.o and the result is:
No git-managed binaries found matching "rstudio"
The problem is not the tool that I think is amazing. The problem is the lost effort from all those that made a beginner friendly tool like s.o.o.
I understand the tremendous amount of work and the need to make the community come forward and actually put in some work.
But for the beginner that comes to OpenSuSE as a user, not a developer, for the first time with no experience with this Distro (and maybe limited experience with Linux), the thing that counts the most is the answer to this question: "where can I find/install with one single click the software I need to use on my work/ daily life ".
And if the answer to this question of the totally unaware, non-Linux user, first time tester etc … is not answered in a simple direct way … like on s.o.o … they might be tempted to change distro … or, God Forbid, remain trapped and enslave in … windoze …
That is only my point. Again, I am a Über Fan of OpenSuSE, have been for more the two decades. Quite frankly for me it is the same whether I have to search all repositories manually or not.
For the newcomer tho, it is a totally different story imho.
@keyb_user1 Going forward as more development repositories move to git, that will be the place to look. But, the build service is where it always builds…