So if IBM buys Sun what does it mean...

for Linux, Open Office, JAVA, MySql, Virtual Box, etc?

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  • saahne wrote, On 03/18/2009 10:46 PM:
    > for Linux, Open Office, JAVA, MySql, Virtual Box, etc?

Obviously it means a bailout for the crystal ball industry <G>

Uwe

Yes. I’ve also seen rumors that Cisco is also interested in Sun. Whatever happens, a big shakeup involving a lot of key open source software. Wish I’d bought some Sun stock a couple of months ago when “someone buying Sun” was on the top of a lot of 2009 prediction lists and the stock was in the toilet.

> for Linux, Open Office, JAVA, MySql, Virtual Box, etc?

Aside from IBM’s ridiculous complexity…
Non issue really. IBM is a big supporter of Java.
IBM really wants the cloud computing stuff. As long
as Java updates don’t start getting updates a labeled
APAR 09231-a1aa-aa I’m good with it.

>> for Linux, Open Office, JAVA, MySql, Virtual Box, etc?
>
> Aside from IBM’s ridiculous complexity…
> Non issue really. IBM is a big supporter of Java.
> IBM really wants the cloud computing stuff. As long
> as Java updates don’t start getting updates a labeled
> APAR 09231-a1aa-aa I’m good with it.

One thing that might be odd…Open Office and whatever that
IBM offering is…

I wonder if they’d GPL ZFS? That would be an interesting development.

Their OpenOffice version is called Lotus Symphony. Maybe the management of Open Office would be better. It seems a bit dysfunctional at the moment. At least the Go-oo people never seem to be all that happy with the way Sun runs things.

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:37:30 +0000, GofBorg wrote:

>> for Linux, Open Office, JAVA, MySql, Virtual Box, etc?
>
> Aside from IBM’s ridiculous complexity… Non issue really. IBM is a
> big supporter of Java. IBM really wants the cloud computing stuff. As
> long as Java updates don’t start getting updates a labeled APAR
> 09231-a1aa-aa I’m good with it.

I’d be good with that if they stop bundling MSN Toolbar and other
crapware with the Java downloads.

Jim

So will they adopt this as their logo?

http://www.celticmooncda.com/pictures/Decorative%20Pics/Blue%20Sun.jpg

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:26:01 +0000, Chrysantine wrote:

> So will they adopt this as their logo?
>
> [image:
> http://www.celticmooncda.com/pictures/Decorative%20Pics/Blue%20Sun.jpg]

Ooooh, I like - that’s pretty. :slight_smile:

Jim

> I’d be good with that if they stop bundling MSN Toolbar and other
> crapware with the Java downloads.

I’m with you on that.

On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:18:55 +0000, GofBorg wrote:

>> I’d be good with that if they stop bundling MSN Toolbar and other
>> crapware with the Java downloads.
>
> I’m with you on that.

I end up occasionally installing Java remotely on systems and always miss
the checkbox to disable it and end up having to clean it up afterwards.
Since it’s machines being used for test delivery, extra stuff just
increases the complexity of the environment, and since the machines are
locked down from surfing to any but a few locations on the web anyways,
it’s not very useful to install them.

Jim

>>> I’d be good with that if they stop bundling MSN Toolbar and other
>>> crapware with the Java downloads.
>>
>> I’m with you on that.
>
> I end up occasionally installing Java remotely on systems and always miss
> the checkbox to disable it and end up having to clean it up afterwards.
> Since it’s machines being used for test delivery, extra stuff just
> increases the complexity of the environment, and since the machines are
> locked down from surfing to any but a few locations on the web anyways,
> it’s not very useful to install them.
>
> Jim

I end up with users that update Java and miss the check box.
They have ‘no idea’ how they got those toolbars/apps. Of course, my feeling
is the packagers are depending on that. I can’t see why Apple got blasted
for tacking on Safari when Java does basically the same thing.

On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:06:00 +0000, GofBorg wrote:

> I end up with users that update Java and miss the check box. They have
> ‘no idea’ how they got those toolbars/apps. Of course, my feeling is the
> packagers are depending on that. I can’t see why Apple got blasted for
> tacking on Safari when Java does basically the same thing.

Yup. As I understand it, there’s a “pay per install” to Sun for stuff
like this, so it’s to their benefit to “sneak” the install in anyway they
can (yes, I know they don’t really sneak it in like some authors do).

Jim

The other annoying thing about Java is the upgrades on Windows. When you upgrade to a new version the old version is often left installed. You can easily have half a dozen different versions of Java installed at the same time so that security threat you thought you’d fixed may still be there. They supposedly fixed this recently but it’s worth checking.

Keeping up-to-date with security patches for 3rd party software is a real pain in Windows. Secunia Personal Software Inspector helps but it’s still a pain.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:26:01 +0000, saahne wrote:

> The other annoying thing about Java is the upgrades on Windows. When you
> upgrade to a new version the old version is often left installed.

I have run into this as well, and it did cause problems, come to think of
it.

Jim

>> often left installed.
Often? I thought it was by default. :slight_smile:
I can’t remember a time when it didn’t leave the old version.

What I do I uninstall the old java and install the new version.

Good luck;)

Mike

Ok, understatement! Anyway, they changed that behavior recently according to the ZDnet Zero Day blog. The Zero Day people also rag on the inclusion of the MSN “badware”. I think they just released update 13 so will see what happens when I run the update.

I had two installations of 12 and both were updated to 13. And I had to decline the Yahoo search bar for Firefox.

IBM is a huge open source supporter, so I think this is a win/win situation for all of us. My bet is that ZFS would be available to Linux almost immediately. IBM is a very professional company and it would be better than the way things are run at Sun. I don’t really see any downside to it. Well, I can think of a couple of things, but I doubt they would happen, so I won’t speculate on that.

On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 00:26 +0000, Wilson Phillips wrote:
> IBM is a huge open source supporter, so I think this is a win/win

Which is why IBM uses AIX, AS400, zOS and a myriad of VERY
expensive (very) and VERY proprietary closed source pieces
of software in EVERY deployment that they do.

> situation for all of us. My bet is that ZFS would be available to Linux
> almost immediately. IBM is a very professional company and it would be

:slight_smile: Perhaps. But my guess is NO. IBM isn’t as big a fan as
you think. Who’s your contact at IBM? IBM loves Linux… as long
as it’s running under their EXPENSIVE PROPRIETARY CLOSED SOURCED
systems.

It’s no different than saying VMware is a big open source supporter…

> better than the way things are run at Sun. I don’t really see any
> downside to it. Well, I can think of a couple of things, but I doubt
> they would happen, so I won’t speculate on that.
>
>

Actually, Sun is freer in probably more ways than IBM. Not sure
if I like either company… or I trust either one. I’m just
speaking based on observation.