So HOW brave/risky is TW as a main daily desktop driver??

I guess I need to ask…but here are some good points for me…I have no dedicated gpu, only the on dye 1st gen SandyBridge Intel 2500k cpu, if I had a separate gpu I would prob not bother with any linux distro & stick to lousy windows as it seems that dedicated gpus are huge headaches especially after kernel updates etc…so I think I have a nice simple machine…

Manjaro has behaved pretty well over many months but I rather fancy coming back to openSUSE and have been running it in a vm for a while nicely…

Are there many guys on here that are running TW as their main daily driver without too many headaches???

thanks or any replies advice

I run TW KDE as my OS on my Tower & my Lappy, since May/June. It is fabulous. IMO the combo of openQA to iron out major problems before users would otherwise get them & have to deal with them, + latest Plasma & programs, + root BtrFS & Snapper to rollback from any upstream OR user-caused mess-up, is unbeatable. See also fyi my:
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/527876-TW-BtrFS-Snapper-Magnificent?p=2843354#post2843354

I also use only the integrated Intel GPU [both PCs], & all Plasma Desktop Effects lots of them] with the OpenGL compositing works really well, & reliably. I am not a gamer, so can’t say how this setup might or might not handle games.

Re your:

Are there many guys on here…

…i have fixed it for you:

Are there many guys & gals on here…

Hi, I’m currently on TW Gnome. As you, I moved from Manjaro (I was a distro hopper :D). It’s my daily machine for home and work purpose. I think it’s quite stable. I had only one hickup since 6 months (NetworkManager update broke internet connection), but nothing that would corrupt the OS. Beside you can always rollback so nothing to worry about. I think that Tumbleweed is great!

Been running Tumbleweed on this Lenovo Z70 for a while, originally on a Z70 that had an NVidia card - that was the original reason for trying TW (but I managed to kill that by dousing it in hot tea) - and then on a replacement that only had the built-in Intel card. I just swapped the HDD over and got rid of the Bumblebee drivers…

There have been a few minor issues, but nothing bad, and any problems I have had I’ve found solutions for on this forum directly rather than chasing / googling solutions all over the place.

So I’d say I’ve been running TW for nearly 2 years, and as long as you have fast internet for the big downloads, and don’t have download restrictions, then you shouldn’t have problems.

Of course, your mileage may vary, but I’ve not regretted it.

My primary desktop PC (using it now) is currently on TW 20171101, it started with 20150508, I’ve had a few minor problems in that time, but never a non-working setup.

Go on, be brave, you know you want to do it >:)

On Sat 04 Nov 2017 02:06:02 PM CDT, tannington wrote:

My primary desktop PC (using it now) is currently on TW 20171101, it
started with 20150508, I’ve had a few minor problems in that time, but
never a non-working setup.

Go on, be brave, you know you want to do it >:)

Hi
20171102 here :wink:

@OP, if running btrfs and snapshots, make sure you
configure /etc/snapper/configs/root to your requirements and because
there maybe numerous snapshots in a week a manual run of the
suse.de-snapper and btrfs-balance cron jobs may be needed.


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> Are there many guys on here that are running TW as their main daily
> driver without too many headaches???

I’ve had TW running on a variety of machines since the Evergreen (13.1)
effort died. The Leap versions were problematic on all 3 of the 64-bit
machines and did not support the 32-bit laptops I have around so TW was
the obvious choice.

One desktop is an old Compaq running an AMD dual Athlon 4850e with an
equally old Nvidia video.

The other desktop runs a newer Intel I7 with an Nvidia 630 video or the
builtin Intel video. I’ve run the video cards both separately and
simultaneously with no issues using the noveau driver for the Nvidia
card. It runs well so I haven’t messed with the proprietary drivers.

One laptop runs an Intel I5 (Skylake). Minor issues with the Realtek
8188ee wireless but otherwise solid.

All-in-all, everyone around here (even the wife!)is happy with TW. There
are a few applications that are not available from the repos but those
are fairly rare.

If you go with TW, I would advise waiting a day or two between updates to
see if there are any wild screams on this forum just to avoid problems
and keep backups CURRENT! I’m not a fan of the default BTRFS file system
but it does offer system snapshots for simpler recovery if you do get a
bad update. Take a hard look at the pros and cons before install if you
think it offers something you want.

Hy! What is your use case for the machine? Just a little interweb things? Some office? Some special applications? How critical is the machine and the data on the partitions?
Consider dual boot with windows and your important data on an NTFS partition.

Have rarely problems with older hardware and built-in i3, i5 or i7 graphics.

Anyway: Avoid BTRFS. Try ext4. Otherwise some rough ride potentially ahead…

Great answers from an obviously great forum…Firstly, GooeyGirl, check the little message with the reputation I added for your great and funny answer :slight_smile:

Thanks everyone else, I forgot to say that I will use ext4 and have no interest in btrfs, I’m an obsessive backer upper onto all sorts of externals anyway.

**suse_rasputin **just general home use really, plenty of watching movies and vids, torrenting here and there, vpn useage essential, vbox needs to work well for my Kali installs, not much office, might even consider removing the office pattern but not sure…

If anyone has a second, I would be so very grateful to know **exactly **which repos to enable, I remember with fixed versions (now called leap) the repos were very annoying/slightly confusing, ie. vendor change this or don’t vendor change that etc…as far as I can see, just the main tumbleweed repo and maybe Packman repos, with nothing else at all, am I right??

Once again many thanks for great input, I will be clicking on all the stars to add to your reps, so refreshing to get answers in a linux forum that aren’t sarcastic like on the Arch & Manjaro ones sometimes are…regards to all, I will prob take the plunge in next few days and get back to sudo zypper dupping again !

Teehee. No, but thank you for asking all the same :wink:

Here’s my repos fyi:

gooeygirl@linux-Tower:~> **zypper lr -d
**Repository priorities are without effect. All enabled repositories share the same priority.


#  | Alias                                | Name                            | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | Priority | Type     | URI                                                                         | Service
---+--------------------------------------+---------------------------------+---------+-----------+---------+----------+----------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+--------
 1 | My_openSUSE_Repo                     | My_openSUSE_Repo                | Yes     | ( p) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | plaindir | dir:///Seagate/4.%20Software/My_openSUSE_Repo                               |        
 2 | Vivaldi                              | Vivaldi                         | Yes     | ( p) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md   | http://repo.vivaldi.com/snapshot/rpm/x86_64/                                |        
 3 | download.opensuse.org-non-oss        | Main Repository (NON-OSS)       | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | yast2    | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss/                       |        
 4 | download.opensuse.org-oss            | Main Repository (OSS)           | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | yast2    | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/                           |        
 5 | download.opensuse.org-tumbleweed     | Main Update Repository          | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md   | http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed/                             |        
 6 | openSUSE-20170510-0                  | openSUSE-20170510-0             | No      | ----      | ----    |   99     | yast2    | hd:///?device=/dev/disk/by-id/usb-Generic_Flash_Disk_013739421808-0:0-part2 |        
 7 | openSUSE_Tumbleweed_FileSystems_Repo | openSUSE_Tumbleweed FileSystems | No      | ----      | ----    |   99     | rpm-md   | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/filesystems/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/  |        
 8 | packman.inode.at-openSUSE_Tumbleweed | Packman Repository              | Yes     | (r ) Yes  | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md   | http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/                           |        
 9 | repo-debug                           | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Debug       | No      | ----      | ----    |   99     | NONE     | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/tumbleweed/repo/oss/                     |        
10 | repo-source                          | openSUSE-Tumbleweed-Source      | No      | ----      | ----    |   99     | NONE     | http://download.opensuse.org/source/tumbleweed/repo/oss/                    |        
gooeygirl@linux-Tower:~> 

My belief is that the green ones are the only ones that should / must be enabled, with Packman optional depending on your multimedia etc needs.

I am using exclusively openSUSE since 1996, currently TW 20171102. Nevertheless I find this very helpful, notwithstanding the guide refers to Leap: 1. Introduction - Beginner's Guide to openSUSE Leap 15.5 / SUSE Linux

As @GooeyGirl wrote in post #10 the three repositories shown by her in green are essential.

In general it’s advisable to use as few repositories as are required, once you begin adding 3rd party, or (OBS) home repositories the chances of a zypper dup failing may increase.

Repositories that are safe to add that you may want:

Packman: Index of /pub/linux/misc/packman/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/
KDE Extra: (Unless of course you’re a Gnomite) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/openSUSE_Tumbleweed
Nvidia proprietary drivers: Index of /opensuse/tumbleweed

One you may want to temporarily add for the package “libdvdcss2” (to access encrypted DVDs, if that’s your thing)
http://opensuse-guide.org/repo/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/
after adding the package it can be locked and the repository either disabled or removed.

You’re obviously aware that the only way to update TW is with zypper dup from the command line, any other method will, at some point, fail.

Updates can be quite frequent and occasionally there will be very large numbers of packages to update, last happened when the gcc version changed.

If you’re interested in what’s “happening” the factory mailing list is worth following:
https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/

Thanks again everyone, yes the only update method I’ll use is dup, tannington, I did wonder about the KDE extras repo, I am a big KDE fan and can’t remember exactly what that one adds, by the sounds of it I’ll take a guess that it will give me the option of adding anything & everything KDE plasma desktop, am I right??..thanks all

KDE Extra is a community maintained repo containing mostly KDE/Qt based applications that are not part of the official Frameworks, Plasma, or Application releases. Also, although to a lesser extent with Tumbleweed, it may contain later versions than are in the oss repo.

You can browse through the repo, just point your favourite web browser to: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/openSUSE_Tumbleweed and take a look…