Should I upgrade to KDE4.2?

Hi all!

Got a quick question…

Should I upgrade my 11.1/KDE4.1 system to KDE4.2? :\

I’m a fairly inexperienced user, but the install process seems pretty
straight-forward, so that’s good.

But, what about my settings and applications? I’m using a pretty
clean/virgin install at the moment, but it did take me a while to get
wireless working (think I’m using ndiswrapper and KNetwork Manager, but
it’s all a bit hazy now!:\ ), and I’ve just managed to get Amarok
(1.4.1) working great, and connecting to my MP3 player :slight_smile: - will I have
to set up these things again? That would be a bit of a pain!

I would like to move to 4.2 as people have said good things about it. I
find 4.1 very stable for me, but then I don’t use any widgets or 3D (old
1Ghz Athlon, 756Mb, Gforce3 64Mb). I do find that it seems a little
‘sluggish’, and I sometimes get strange mouse behavior in Firefox
(related to the right mouse button doing strange things) >:(

Will the update remove/upgrade any of my existing programs? Like
firefox, network manager, and Amarok? (don’t want to loose bookmarks).

Sorry for all the questions, I was trying to keep it short!

Thanks for the assistance.

Steve


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Works really well for me.
There’s been a lot of discussion on the subject recommend a forum
search
Like ‘here’ (http://tinyurl.com/c86at3)
/Geoff


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Thanks geoffro.

Didn’t want to bloat that thread with my specific questions.

I have looked at a few of the KDE4.2 threads for a bit of background
info, and to get a general idea of what to expect, but none of them
seemed to address my specific issues of loosing my wireless, and
Amarok.

To be honest, as long as I don’t have to set up my wireless again,
everything else I can deal with!

Anyone upgraded to 4.2?

Did you loose any functionality?

Steve


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Both Amarok and the wireless settings should remain as functional as
they are now, both are kde3 apps and pretty much left alone.

If somehow either one does not function properly, reverting back to
kde4.1 is a matter of disabling the 4.2 repositories and running an
upgrade unconditionally on the KDE Desktop pattern in YaST.


‘Special effects’ (http://tiny.cc/Y0T) ← KDE 4.2 Showing off
More KDE → ’ PINK KDE’ (http://tiny.cc/v30h)
‘HQ Pink KDE’ (http://tiny.cc/R4P)

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Fantastic. Thanks.

Looks like I’ll probably upgrade later tis afternoon then.

Thank you.

Steve


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I found this on Planet SUSE: ‘Howto install KDE 4.2 on openSUSE « The
Blog is Hot’ (http://tinyurl.com/are7hp)
I think it’s interesting and useful for your decision.
About the right click strange behaviour in firefox, i read it’s a bug
that will be fixed in next release. A workaround can be the installation
of the mouse gestures add-on.


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I use the kde4 amarok (2.0.1) which is a LOT netter IMHO

/Geoff
Axeia;1937073 Wrote:
> Both Amarok and the wireless settings should remain as functional as
> they are now, both are kde3 apps and pretty much left alone.
>


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By factory it means that it is in the dev version of OS.
The next stable version will probably not be before 11.2 and in that
case kde4.3

/Geoff
SparkieSteve;1937080 Wrote:
> Fantastic. Thanks.
>
> Looks like I’ll probably upgrade later tis afternoon then.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Edit: Oh, forgot to ask. I read that KDE4.2 is ‘Factory’. Not too sure
> what this means. Can anyone explain. Only read it once tho, so that may
> not be the case anyway.
>
> Steve


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I’m with geoff on this: A caution required. Development repo’s can be
troublesome for the inexperienced.

Amarok 2 is truly great. Geoff, I updated to this after reading your +
comments. A week or so ago;)


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geoffro;1937090 Wrote:
> By factory it means that it is in the dev version of OS.
> The next stable version will probably not be before 11.2 and in that
> case kde4.3
>
> /Geoff

I’m still a little confused. I am thinking that KDE4.2 is released by
the KDE team as stable and finished, but as far as Opensuse as on
Operating system is concerned, I should really only be using the version
of KDE that was provided on the DVD as this is the one tested with
OS11.1?

Am I on the right track here?
So to have a guaranteed happy KDE/Opensuse relationship I should wait
till 11.2?

So, if I use the ‘factory’ repo to upgrade to KDE, it won’t auto update
unless I’ve set that up with the updater applet right? So I can stop it
marching on to the alpha/Beta version on 4.3, and hence, keep it
stable.

Sorry for the noob questions, but I’m still trying to figure out the
‘lay of the land’ so to speak, in Linux/OpenSuse/KDE

Thanks everyone, I’m learning loads here!

Steve


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SparkieSteve;1937068 Wrote:
> To be honest, as long as I don’t have to set up my wireless again,
> everything else I can deal with!
>
> Anyone upgraded to 4.2?
>
> Did you loose any functionality?
Maybe this will help you…

Truthfully, the only reason I -settled- on openSUSE is because it
worked out-of-the-box with the weirdo WiFi ‘card’ in my Toshiba. For
some reason, the ODM (Toshiba doesn’t make lappys - they resell them)
decided to stick the internal WiFi ‘card’ on the USB bus, not the PCI
bus, sooo… MANY distros won’t recognize my WiFi card without a LOT of
fiddling around.

The only reason I’m telling you all this is to demonstrate that I DO
NOT want to repeat this experience, any more than you do! :slight_smile:

I originally installed openSUSE 11.1 KDE 4.1 on my lappy, but decided
to try GNOME, and ended up liking it better. Then, I found out I could
run KDE 4.1 AND GNOME on the same machine (actually at the same time, if
I wanted), so I installed them both. Last week, I decided to move to
openSUSE 11.1 KDE 4.2 and WOW, what a difference! This week I decided
to move to Factory, blah, blah, blah…

Through all of this, I never lost my WiFi, my email, my Firefox
bookmarks - nothing!

There are no guarantees in life, and I’m NOT a betting man, but I’d be
willing to wager that you won’t have any problems moving to Factory
either.

If you’re worried about it, you could always do a mirror image of your
HD using Clonezilla, Acronis, or whatever. Then, you’ll have all your
bases covered.


-VinDSL

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Win7 Quad-Boot
LanParty Desktop, Extreme Edition, openSuSE-Factory KDE 4.2 / GNOME /
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Thanks for your thoughts there VinDSL.

Got a day off work tomorrow, with only a quick martial arts class
booked so far, so I think I’ll give it a go tomorrow.

I’ll let everyone know how it goes for me.

Steve


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Well, as promised, I’m letting you know how the update went (from a
noob’s perspective of course)

Used the one click install from a link posted earlier on the thread,
and it worked a treat. No dependency issues, in fact, no error messages
at all!

All my apps are still around, and wireless worked fine.

So, a lot of fuss about nothing for me!

I do have one issue with phantom icons on the desktop that wont go
away, but I’m looking into that on another thread ‘KDE4.2 broken icons
on panel - openSUSE Forums’ (http://tinyurl.com/adoolo) .

Seems as tho my strange mouse behavior in firefox has stopped since
I’ve updated KDE too :slight_smile:

Cheers guys!

Steve


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Hrm…

Well, I finally ran into a bug(?) - let’s call it an anomaly.

For some reason, when I boot my lappy with the KDE 4.2 interface, a
couple of .kss windows pop up on my desktop. These are ‘Screen Saver’
files. It just started a couple of days ago.

It doesn’t really cause a problem - I simply close these windows - but
it’s irritating all the same.

I think I’ll reinstall the extra screen saver package and see it that
helps. A lot of these savers are from way-back-when! The properties
show some are from 2003 or whatever… :stuck_out_tongue:

Glad to here your upgrade went okay!

In Fx, I turn off ‘autoscrolling’ and ‘smooth scrolling’.

Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General -> Browsing

That seems to make a difference on my machines.


-VinDSL

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Win7 Quad-Boot
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SparkieSteve;1938534 Wrote:
> I’m still a little confused. I am thinking that KDE4.2 is released by
> the KDE team as stable and finished, but as far as Opensuse as on
> Operating system is concerned, I should really only be using the version
> of KDE that was provided on the DVD as this is the one tested with
> OS11.1?
>
> Am I on the right track here?
> So to have a guaranteed happy KDE/Opensuse relationship I should wait
> till 11.2?
>
> So, if I use the ‘factory’ repo to upgrade to KDE, it won’t auto update
> unless I’ve set that up with the updater applet right? So I can stop it
> marching on to the alpha/Beta version on 4.3, and hence, keep it
> stable.
>
> Sorry for the noob questions, but I’m still trying to figure out the
> ‘lay of the land’ so to speak, in Linux/OpenSuse/KDE
>
> Thanks everyone, I’m learning loads here!
>
> Steve

There’s three flavors right now for KDE4:

Stable - the desktop that shipped with openSUSE 11.1. This is static
and will not change over the supported life of openSUSE 11.1, though
security and critical bugfixes will be backported.

Factory - the desktop that will ship with openSUSE 11.2. Right now it
contains the release version of KDE 4.2 with openSUSE patches, but given
the timelines for 11.2, it will eventually contain 4.3 when released as
that desktop will land in 11.2 (at least according to the plan right
now).

Unstable - These are packages compiled straight from trunk, which is
the developmental version of KDE (currently 4.3). These are not patched
or modified, and are generally very close to upstream, and very likely
to break from time to time at least until things stabilize for 4.3
beta.

There’s some debate right now about whether or not the layout should
change. 4.2 is a very solid release, but once 4.3 is relased, it means
that there will no longer be a 4.2 option for openSUSE users under the
current structure. There will likely be a separate repo made available
so that users will have access to a well-tested 4.2.x versus brand new
4.3, which should help confuse things even further. :wink:

Hope this makes sense.

Cheers,
KV


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else_where;1942097 Wrote:
> There’s some debate right now about whether or not the layout should
> change. 4.2 is a very solid release

Will other window managers continue to be supported? Specially KDE
3.X?

After a crash I thought I would try KDE 4.2 on the new install. Lost of
productivity has been pretty high. Even the most basic things that I did
not have any issues with in 3.X are hard to find in 4.X.

Installing apps in the panel seems a total mistery to me in 4.X… the
whole “panel” seems not intuitive. The panel sometimes does not pop up
when I move the cursor on it… etc, etc…

Going to try XFCE and Icewm. If this 4.2 is considered “stable” with
all the issues I see, I would hate to see what is considered beta by the
KDE team.


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In my opinion running 4.2 is no greater risk then running 4.1.3. The
only thing to keep in mind is what -elsewhere- pointed out: There will
be a change from 4.2 to 4.3 in the factory rep and this release can not
be recommended for a productive system. So be sure to disable/remove the
Factory Rep in time.


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Axeia;1937073 Wrote:
> … reverting back to kde4.1 is a matter of disabling the 4.2
> repositories and running an upgrade unconditionally on the KDE Desktop
> pattern in YaST.

How does one “run an ‘unconditional upgrade’ on KDE desktop pattern”
(not sure what is meant by that)
I have a similar problem, and can’t login to KDE 4 after trying to
upgrade to KDE 4.2. The desktop + icons crashed with some error message
about desktop plasma having crashed. Now, on trying to Login to KDE 4,
there is Error Message ‘kdeinit4 could not be started’ in a box and
after that the screen blanks out.

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Open Yast Software Management
filter by repo

by default it will open on ‘System’
the other repo’s are below - select the one you want

Now look at top of UI and select Packages tab
in the drop box select ‘Update all in this list unconditionally’


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> Originally Posted by Axeia ‘[image:
> http://forums-opensuse.provo.novell.com/images/green_buttons/viewpost.gif]’
> (http://tinyurl.com/cybtgf)
> - … reverting back to kde4.1 is a matter of disabling the 4.2
> repositories and running an upgrade unconditionally on the KDE Desktop
> pattern in YaST.-
>

I don’t see any KDE 4.2-specific repo’s & so don’t know which ones to
uncheck (disable). All the repo’s have KDE4 (or KDE3-which I want to
keep). But I also don’t want to disable the KDE 4.1.x repositories, as I
want to ‘downgrade’ to KDE 4.1.x.

If it helps, here is the detailed lsit of all the repositories that I
have in my oS 11.1 install, through zypper-

> xxxxx@linux-4a48:~> zypper lr -u
> # | Alias | Name
> | Enabled | Refresh | URI
>
> —±--------------------------------------±-------------------------------------------±--------±--------±--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1 | Archiving | Archiving
> | No | No | ‘Index of
> /repositories/Archiving/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Archiving/openSUSE_11.1/)
>
> 2 | GNOME_Community | GNOME Community
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/GNOME:/Community/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://tinyurl.com/ahru7p)
> 3 | GNOME_Stable | GNOME Stable
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/GNOME:/STABLE/openSUSE_11.1’ (http://tinyurl.com/7qbatt)
>
> 4 | KDE3-Backports | KDE3-Backports
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/KDE:/Backports/openSUSE_11.1’ (http://tinyurl.com/7cvomx)
>
> 5 | KDE3-Core_Packages | KDE3-Core Packages
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.1/)
>
> 6 | KDE3-Factory | KDE3-Factory
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_Factory’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_Factory/)
>
> 7 | KDE4_Factory_Desktop_1 | KDE4_Factory_Desktop
> | Yes | Yes | http://tinyurl.com/b8kb99
> 8 | KDE4_Factory_Desktop_Community_Apps |
> KDE4_Factory_Desktop_Community Apps | Yes | Yes | ‘Index
> of
> /repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11.1_KDE4_Factory_Desktop’
> (http://tinyurl.com/a2s2ca)
> 9 | KDE4_Factory_Extra_Apps | KDE4_Factory_Extra Apps
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Extra-Apps/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://tinyurl.com/76brcy)
> 10 | KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop | KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://tinyurl.com/94xln7)
> 11 | KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop | KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Desktop/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://tinyurl.com/72r3ru)
> 12 | KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Extra-Apps | KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Extra-Apps
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Extra-Apps/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://tinyurl.com/7gvvud)
> 13 | KDE:Qt | KDE:Qt
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/KDE:/Qt/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Qt/openSUSE_11.1/)
>
> 14 | KDE:Qt_1 | KDE:Qt
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/KDE:/Qt/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE%3A/Qt/openSUSE_11.1/)
>
> 15 | KDE_Community-Factory | KDE Community-Factory
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/KDE:/Community/openSUSE_Factory’
> (http://tinyurl.com/c3488h)
> 16 | KDE_Community-openSUSE_11.1 | KDE Community-openSUSE
> 11.1 | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/KDE:/Community/openSUSE_11.1’ (http://tinyurl.com/aqmny2)
>
> 17 | Libdvdcss repository | Libdvdcss repository
> | No | No | http://suse.linuxin.dk/repo/11.1/
>
> 18 | NVIDIA Repository | NVIDIA Repository
> | No | No |
> http://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/11.1
>
> 19 | Packman | Packman repository
> (openSUSE_11.1) | No | No | ‘Index of
> /pub/packman/suse/11.1’
> (http://packman.mirrors.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/11.1/)
>
> 20 | Packman Repository | Packman Repository
> | No | No | ‘Index of /pub/packman/suse/11.1’
> (http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/11.1/)
>
> 21 | XFCE_4.4.3_(Stable)_Factory | XFCE 4.4.3
> (Stable)_Factory | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/X11:/xfce/openSUSE_Factory’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/xfce/openSUSE_Factory/)
>
> 22 | XFCE_Stable_4.4.3_openSUSE_11.1 | XFCE Stable 4.4.3_openSUSE
> 11.1 | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /repositories/X11:/xfce/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/xfce/openSUSE_11.1/)
>
> 23 | editors | editors
> | No | No | ‘Index of
> /repositories/editors/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/editors/openSUSE_11.1/)
>
> 24 | home:bitshuffler | home:bitshuffler
> | No | No | ‘Index of
> /repositories/home:/bitshuffler/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://tinyurl.com/bxp42a)
> 25 | home:lslezak | home:lslezak
> | Yes | No | ‘Index of
> /repositories/home:/lslezak/openSUSE_11.1’ (http://tinyurl.com/ag2zfn)
>
> 26 | home:swyear | home:swyear
> | No | No | ‘Index of
> /repositories/home:/swyear/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/swyear/openSUSE_11.1/)
>
> 27 | home:zdenekzapp | home:zdenekzapp
> | No | No | ‘Index of
> /repositories/home:/zdenekzapp/openSUSE_11.1’
> (http://tinyurl.com/dyvluk)
> 28 | ‘Index of /suse/11.1’ (http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/11.1) |
> ‘Index of /suse/11.1’ (http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/11.1) | No
> | No | ‘Index of /suse/11.1’
> (http://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/11.1)
>
> 29 | openSUSE:11.1:Update | openSUSE:11.1:Update
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of /update/11.1’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.1/)
>
> 30 | openSUSE_11.1-0 | openSUSE 11.1-0
> | Yes | Yes | dvd:///
>
> 31 | repo-non-oss | openSUSE-11.1-Non-Oss
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /distribution/11.1/repo/non-oss’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/repo/non-oss/)
>
> 32 | repo-oss | openSUSE-11.1-Oss
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of
> /distribution/11.1/repo/oss’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/repo/oss/)
>
> 33 | repo-source | openSUSE-11.1-Source
> (Advanced Users only) | No | No | ‘Index of
> /source/distribution/11.1/repo/oss’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/source/distribution/11.1/repo/oss/)
>
> 34 | repo-update | openSUSE-11.1-Update
> | Yes | Yes | ‘Index of /update/11.1’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.1/)
>

From the above, whcih are the repo’s to disable so as to have KDE 4.1.x
and remove KDE 4.2, and how to proceed further ?

PS:
Do not mean to divert from the OP’s thread (-more of an ‘upgrade’
question, rather than a 'downgrade to KDE 4.1.x that I’m asking-), but
if it is seen as such, then I don’t mind starting a new thread for the
above question.


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