Seperate openSUSE for home and server

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#1

openSUSE LiveCD and DVD contain so much mixed programs, packages, services and configurations for everyone.

Some of these are not needed for home users(or low possibility which can download or activate manually after installation)
Some of these are not needed for servers(same)

For example openSUSE LiveCD comes with kernel-default but the optimal kernel for home users is kernel-desktop, even after installation kernel doesn’t change, you must change it to desktop manually, also there are so many unnecesseary packages and services enabled by default like cups, you must manually disable with yast. As I said this is only for home users.

I am also sure there must be some unnecesseary stuff for server users too.(or missing necesseary stuff)

Yast is really great tool and openSUSE is the best(not one of the best, directly best) linux distro out there.

But still Ubuntu/Kubuntu 10.04.1 is faster than openSUSE 11.3 with default settings.(FOR HOME).
Because Kubuntu is specialized for homes but openSUSE is just general
Also Ubuntu/Kubuntu Server is faster than openSUSE 11.3 with default settings.
The same reason.

After modifying some settings with YAST2 and system settings of chosen desktop envorinment openSUSE is faster than any distro. But it takes so much time and we cant know everything, it needs some researching after all.

But if we have some preconfigured profiles like server and home; things going to be easier, more secure, faster, more stable, perhaps more stylish

About my opinion

I think opensuse LiveCDs must be seperated with home and server

And for DVD we should choose a profile after or before chosing desktop envorinment.
Let me give you just an example

Desktop Basic (delete unnecesseary packages and disable services like cups, fbset, ypbind, avahi, and configurations for standart home user)
Desktop Professional (delete less, disable less, configure different because of professional users may need them)
Server Basic
Server Professional

I think that is why the reputation of opensuse is being slow and bulky

so what do you think folks?

Edit: One more thing, I think some packages must be modulated(especially language packages)
Cuz when i install my native language package, the other language packages installing with them.
The waste of hard disk, internet bandwith or maybe even ram.

#2

Two points:

  1. Given the current state of things not being ready app wise at release point, it may be adding more confusion and or indecision for people to contend with. Many seem rather confused about whether to do LiveCD-x32 or LiveCD-x64 or DVD-x32 or DVD-x64. Under Home, do we then target social_networking, home_office, multi-media, gaming, development, etc. It is a good concept to have Home/Prof default, I just am unsure if it might further break or delay functionality packaging up more distro versions and having all the niceties all ready at release.
  2. The current distro mix has a huge number of CLI and GUI programs for sound, mixing, editing, converting, ftp, cd-ripping and you name it that could be maybe rated as popular/alternate/if-you-must and repo’ed accordingly with the popular ones included.

For example openSUSE LiveCD comes with kernel-default but the optimal kernel for home users is kernel-desktop, even after installation kernel doesn’t change, you must change it to desktop manually, also there are so many unnecesseary packages and services enabled by default like cups, you must manually disable with yast. As I said this is only for home users.

I really don’t think you should disable cups, everyone I know needs and uses printing, even my 7yr old grand niece clicks and prints interesting pictures and poems and such regularly. Having said that, there are other things that stand a second look like remote login, samba, vmware, etc. that many will never touch.

I am also sure there must be some unnecesseary stuff for server users too.(or missing necesseary stuff)

True, if people are using the box as a server only, they certainly don’t need 4 types of desktop, 35 types of editor, 8 different CD/DVD rendering apps
or 45 games.
If on the other hand they use the box also as a desktop system, the needs change rather quickly.

After modifying some settings with YAST2 and system settings of chosen desktop envorinment openSUSE is faster than any distro. But it takes so much time and we cant know everything, it needs some researching after all.

Yes I forgot, how slow other OS’s can be. Yesturday, I needed to revive a PC with Mandrake 9.1 on it and Windows 98, openSUSE boots on my dual core in 1 minute or less, Mandrake boots in 1.5 minutes, and Windows 98 took 18 minutes! My openSUSE before turning off unneeded stuff was 5 times slower than it is now.

But if we have some preconfigured profiles like server and home; things going to be easier, more secure, faster, more stable, perhaps more stylish

About my opinion

I think opensuse LiveCDs must be seperated with home and server

And for DVD we should choose a profile after or before chosing desktop envorinment.
Let me give you just an example

Desktop Basic (delete unnecesseary packages and disable services like cups, fbset, ypbind, avahi, and configurations for standart home user)
Desktop Professional (delete less, disable less, configure different because of professional users may need them)
Server Basic
Server Professional

I think that is why the reputation of opensuse is being slow and bulky

so what do you think folks?

Edit: One more thing, I think some packages must be modulated(especially language packages)
Cuz when i install my native language package, the other language packages installing with them.
The waste of hard disk, internet bandwith or maybe even ram.

Makes sense, especially the language packs. Some packages load languages (whole works) while others use locals that can be chosen for loading if you need them.

#3

The most simple way to create a system that should not be used as a desktop is by choosing the “Text only” install early in the installation sequence. You may call that a predefined “server only” installation. Depending then upon what you need you can add e.g. the LAMP pattern.

#4

realmanager wrote:
> so what do you think folks?

you are welcome to go to SUSE Studio <http://susestudio.com/> and
build exactly the perfect home distro Live CD, and make that iso
available for download…

you may also make a perfect server iso…

you can even rebrand them internally and externally as RealManager Linux…

and, you can make it for your native language only, and preset the
location info, time zones etc etc etc…

and, you can burn those to disk and SELL them on the street
corners…or via mail…

on the other hand, the community release is not absolutely perfect
for everyone…instead it is more than good enough for the folks in
most any area of the world…even those who have use cups to drive a
networked printer in dad’s office…

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DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [posted via NNTP w/openSUSE 10.3]

#5

On 2010-09-17 15:36, realmanager wrote:
>
> openSUSE LiveCD and DVD contain so much mixed programs, packages,
> services and configurations for everyone.

The live is intended mostly as a quick install or a testing version, has to cover both targets. The
DVD is indeed targeted for all people, so it has to contain as much as possible of everything.

> For example openSUSE LiveCD comes with kernel-default but the optimal
> kernel for home users is kernel-desktop, even after installation kernel

Not exactly. It may happen that one version of the kernel doesn’t work on a particular machine, so
you need several choices in the install or live medium.

> so many unnecesseary packages and services enabled by default like cups,

Cups is necessary for printing, and most home users need printing.

> But if we have some preconfigured profiles like server and home; things
> going to be easier, more secure, faster, more stable, perhaps more
> stylish

—> OPENFATE. :slight_smile:

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Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” GM (Minas Tirith))

#6

Here is a link to an openFATE feature request for a server disc. Let your vote be counted if this what you want the SUSE community to consider. https://features.opensuse.org/310560