That’s the problem: regressive bugs. When you upgrade your distro and find that the new one is leaking where the old one was not…That’s so embarrassing sometimes. To give you a minor example, when I press Ctrl+Alt+K in 13.1 to switch from English to another language, the command is delayed, the hard disk starts making noise. That didn’t happen in 12.3. And that’s only a minor instance of regressive bugs. So annoying!
A bug is a feature attempting to emerge.
OK, I implied it was a bug, although I have not identified it so far. Thanks.
If I don’t want plenty of bugs, I wait for another 2 months after release.
Human beings have the same problem of regression. They allways fall back to the old error of describing a problem without even telling to most obvious things about he environment where a problem happens. You do this CTRL+Alt+K in the console? In a desktop environment, when yes, which one?
For me it is The Most Annoying Thing about reporting Linux users. >:)
It’s KDE.
No need to turn this chit-chat into an ad hominem kinda hater discussion…I just reported what other users noticed as well. Otherwise I’m a life-time Linux fan.
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 22:16:01 +0000, riderplus wrote:
> No need to turn this chit-chat into an ad hominem kinda hater
> discussion…
Maybe you missed the smiley? hcvv was making a joke - and IMHO a good
one - that often Linux users (even experienced ones) describe their
problem as “my thing’s broke” without being specific enough. 
As for the issue itself, if there’s a bug, reopen it and indicate that
you see it on 13.1.
Jim
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Exactly. It occurred to me that while you bring up a subject that annoys me at least as much as you (I still have to use KDE3’s PIM because the newer one has several severe regressions), at the same time you show the same regression yourself. You are a very active and valued member here. You know people can not realy give usefull information on problems where an OP does not tell whatt (s)he is using. Nevertheless you do it yourself. And that annoys me also because I have to ask at least five times a day for basic info like: "which version of openSUSE?
I saw similarity between the two annoyances. And this being in Chitchat, I though I might ventilate this.
No worries. Do be, do be, do be.
Neah…I think I can live with it so far In a few months a new openSUSE release will be ready to use.
I agree with you about regressions in linux or any other operating system. For me at least, the most annoying regressions tend to be those occurring in the kernel or in associated drivers such as graphics, sound, and input devices. They haven’t occurred frequently, but when they do, the impact is significantly greater.
The nice things about going to a new version are:
- lots of old bugs are fixed;
- there’s a bunch of new bugs that you can have fun learning to work around.
I sympathize with your sentiments. I have been one of those regressive users who have asked questions without proper reference, and I note your frustrations. Would it not be relatively simple to force the use of a questionaire template for anyone starting a new thread? If the user doesn’t answer all of the template questions, then the post is not registered. That should make life easier for many.
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:06:01 +0000, riderplus wrote:
> Neah…I think I can live with it so far In a few months a new
> openSUSE release will be ready to use.
But if you don’t report the bug, then it’s pretty certain that you’ll be
posting about how this bug wasn’t fixed in 13.2. 
Jim
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On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 16:56:01 +0000, ionmich wrote:
> hcvv;2609894 Wrote:
>> Human beings have the same problem of regression. They allways fall
>> back to the old error of describing a problem without even telling to
>> most obvious things about he environment where a problem happens. You
>> do this CTRL+Alt+K in the console? In a desktop environment, when yes,
>> which one?
>>
>> For me it is The Most Annoying Thing about reporting Linux users. >:)
>
> I sympathize with your sentiments. I have been one of those regressive
> users who have asked questions without proper reference, and I note your
> frustrations. Would it not be relatively simple to force the use of a
> questionaire template for anyone starting a new thread? If the user
> doesn’t answer all of the template questions, then the post is not
> registered. That should make life easier for many.
Actually, I’ve been working on a welcome message to send via PM that
explains a number of things, including the importance of providing the
relevant information - and that if you don’t know what information is
needed, please ask for guidance. Don’t assume anyone answering questions
knows anything about your setup - because in general, we won’t.
Jim
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This is of course a very good idea, but we are bound to the possibilities of VBulletin (the software that powers the forums).
As Jim explains, we are trying to get a message through to new members explaining this and a few other things. Takes some time, but I hope we will have it in not to long a time.
In any case, thank you in understanding the problem and giving positive suggestions.
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:26:02 +0000, hcvv wrote:
> As Jim explains, we are trying to get a message through to new members
> explaining this and a few other things. Takes some time, but I hope we
> will have it in not to long a time.
I’m hoping to have it ready before the end of the year, time permitting
(I’ve got a couple work projects that are probably wrapping up).
Jim
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I think this wouldn’t be suitable for two reasons:
- the openSUSE forums are not a bug launchpad; there, when you report a bug, you have to fill in the required info; this is a forum, users ask for help, many users are beginners - by coming up with these restrictive rules you risk cutting off openSUSE’s popularity, since it’s easier for noobs to ask on a forum and be given friendly advice then filing a bug report;
- would you apply those rules to the chit-chat section? that would be really insanity, sorry
and please don’t come up with the “life easier making”…sounds like a windows programmer. Linux users respect the KISS principle, which is more funny and less authoritarian. I hope I wasn’t too authoritarian, though
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:56:01 +0000, riderplus wrote:
> 2. would you apply those rules to the chit-chat section? that would be
> really insanity, sorry
Hmmm, that actually sounds kinda entertaining.
I don’t think vBulletin supports a “form” based post submission, though.
Jim
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Great news! Awesome! Just made my night