Problems with latest Amarok & Kaffeine

I installed OpenSUSE 11.2-KDE on my computer about a week ago. I’m getting along fine with most of the new or updated apps - with two notable exceptions.
I do quite a bit of audio work, and have used Amarok and Kaffeine for several years now. However, the latest versions installed with KDE4 (2.1.1 and 1.0-pre-2 respectively) are, for my particular needs, classic cases of ‘fixing something that wasn’t broken’ or ‘improving for the worse’.:disapointed:
Amarok seems to have lost its neat discrete little ‘Player Window’ and the simple functionality of the playlist window has been replaced by something unnecessarily gaudy and fussy.
Kaffeine, meanwhile, has lost its ability to encode (i.e. rip) CDs, and, also, the visualisations whilst playing audio appear to have gone awol. I also notice that this particular version is referred to as unstable!:sarcastic:
Are there any plugins or tweaks available for me to restore the original functionality to the current versions?
Failing that, would I be able to install previous versions of these programs which I was happier using (in my case, versions 1.4.10 and 0.8.8 respectively). I realise that these versions were tailored for KDE3 and it would involve installing new (or, should I say, old) libraries. I wouldn’t want to get involved in any ‘dependency hell.’:beat-up:
Any suggestions gratefully received.

Follow this
Multi-media and Restricted Format Installation Guide - openSUSE Forums

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It all sounds far too complicated for a layperson such as myself.
Are you sure this ‘One-Click’ method wouldn’t be a better option?

Absolutely don’t use Oneclick!

Actually, you might want to let me see your current repos’s

zypper lr -d

What’s wrong with Oneclick?

Your comment implies I am wrong - Do you really think that?!
Perhaps you would like to tell me what is good about them, apart form the obvious: The user only needs to know how to click a mouse button and can type their password.:slight_smile:

Anything to oblige.

| Alias | Name | Enabled | Refresh | Priority | Type | URI | Service

1 | repo-debug | openSUSE-11.2-Debug | No | Yes | 99 | NONE | Index of /debug/distribution/11.2/repo/oss |
2 | repo-non-oss | openSUSE-11.2-Non-Oss | Yes | Yes | 99 | NONE | Index of /distribution/11.2/repo/non-oss |
3 | repo-oss | openSUSE-11.2-Oss | Yes | Yes | 99 | NONE | Index of /distribution/11.2/repo/oss |
4 | repo-source | openSUSE-11.2-Source | No | Yes | 99 | NONE | Index of /source/distribution/11.2/repo/oss |
5 | repo-update | openSUSE-11.2-Update | Yes | Yes | 99 | NONE | Index of /update/11.2 |

That’s fine.
Please proceed with the guide

Oh dear! That’s what i feared.:disapointed:
That One-Click option is looking more and more appealing.>:)
I’ll get back to you, I’m sure!

Of course not. I was just curious as to what would be bad; from a technical aspect, about using OneClick.

Naturally, if it’s setup right I think it’s a good utility for less experienced users. We all know that GNU/Linux isn’t as user friendly as Windows. Should something be shunned for making something easier and friendly? If so, run LFS and people will see how much packages and package managers have helped the FSF community.

I like to try and convert people over to GNU/Linux. If a tool makes it easier then I applaud it. It’s like trying to make someone quit smoking or drinking; most times people can’t do it cold turkey.

Your comment implies that it is unacceptable to ask for clarification from an “expert” without that request being seen as a challenge to authority.

catweasel, believe me, it’s actually very easy setting up multimedia functionality. I will try to cut down the howto-link to the most necessary. All you have to do is copypaste these commands and execute them as root in a console.

  1. Add the Packman-repository:
zypper ar -f Packman
  1. Install the needed multimedia-packages from them:
zypper dup -r Packman ffmpeg libxine1 mplayer libxine1-codecs libdvdplay0 libdvdnav4 libdvdread4 libquicktime0 w32codec-all lame xvidcore
  1. Install the Flash-Player (it might already be installed when you have performed a systemwide update already):
zypper in flash-player
  1. Install the libdvdcss:
rpm -Uhv

However, this will not bring you back the functions of the “old” amarok and Kaffeine, and I don’t quite get why caf4926 explains how to get multimedia-functionality only (since this actually wasn’t your question). The KDE4-versions just are different; the amarok-team did choose a new way and basically created a new player, while Kaffeine is stable, but still lacking many options and functionality. You might try installing their KDE3-versions, though… →look here for finding out about fetching the needed core-packages of KDE3, Kaffeine and amarok itself can be fetched from Packman as well (they are called ‘kde3-kaffeine’ and ‘kde3-amarok’). They also work when using KDE4.


Your comment implies that it is unacceptable to ask for clarification from an “expert” without that request being seen as a challenge to authority.

Seems so… caf4926, what’s wrong? Bad mood? By the way, the multimedia-oneclickers as provided via have always worked fine for me (not that I generally recommend oneclickers, but this one works).

Point taken.

The biggest issue with 1 clicks is they will add another copy of the same repo. Other than that I guess if you can’t figure out the guide- go for it

Wouldn’t they setup some kind of conditional statement to search the repo list and if it’s there to NOT add it? IDK… I need to look up how they make the OneClicks first.

They don’t seem that intuitive so as to identify your current setup. Not yet at least!
They don’t seem consistent either. Some seem to work OK and others not so.

They don’t seem consistent either. Some seem to work OK and others not so.

I agree. Often problems occur when pattern-like choices (with several packages) are installed via oneclickers. I would also cancel an installation via oneclick when dependencies have to be fetched for an application. The convenience of those thingies is deceiving and they are definitely not n00b-friendly, esp. because of the reason caf4926 mentioned (adding a repo by default no matter if it’s already there or not, so even when using the multimedia-oneclicker as recommended by me you still have to take care of that).

Actually only one scenario makes sense: there’s one package (which has no dependencies) you would like to install and yet you don’t want do add the respective repository permanently - I have used oneclickers exactly for that, but this scenario is actually very rare. And even then you still have to know the repository itself, because many of them contain alpha / beta or badly maintained software.

Now you are knocking the nail on the head!

poo on joo

So, I guess the only good fix is proper training and understanding on how repos work and how yast uses them. yes?

That would be a an advantage for sure;)

It would help if the the people that are setting up the one clicks did a better job and that after the install the repositories that have been added are deactivated by default.