I enter openSUSE forums and try to log in. But after entering username and password browser doesn’t redirect to forums anymore. It stays trying to load and after a minute or so just “cannot load webpage”. If after this I try to manually open forums.opensuse.org in another tab it never loads and same result. Only way I can enter the forums is by opening some openSUSE forums thread or other sub-page.
I think this began to happen circa a week ago. Right now I’m using a rig with Windows 7 x64 and Internet Explorer 9. What’s happening?
Thanks.
Oh, similar happens with Midori, the default browser of a distro named Slitaz (5.0 RC1).
P.S.: what’s the difference between “logging in” and “loging in”? I remember someone told me one of them meant something like “writting a log” and the other one meant “authentication in forums or the like”, but I don’t remember which one…
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 02:06:01 +0000, F style wrote:
> I enter openSUSE forums and try to log in. But after entering username
> and password browser doesn’t redirect to forums anymore. It stays trying
> to load and after a minute or so just “cannot load webpage”. If after
> this I try to manually open forums.opensuse.org in another tab it never
> loads and same result. Only way I can enter the forums is by opening
> some openSUSE forums thread or other sub-page.
Clear cache and cookies, that usually helps with this sort of thing.
Otherwise, please provide steps and links to where you’re going. I
logged in earlier today and it worked fine.
> P.S.: what’s the difference between “logging in” and “loging in”?
A ‘g’. Seriously, though, the first is the correct spelling, the second
is a misspelling.
> I
> remember someone told me one of them meant something like “writting a
> log” and the other one meant “authentication in forums or the like”, but
> I don’t remember which one…
“logging in” is the phrase for authenticating to a system.
“loging in” means nothing in English. “loging” isn’t a word.
On 2014-11-24 06:23, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 02:06:01 +0000, F style wrote:
>> I
>> remember someone told me one of them meant something like “writting a
>> log” and the other one meant “authentication in forums or the like”, but
>> I don’t remember which one…
>
> “logging in” is the phrase for authenticating to a system.
>
> “loging in” means nothing in English. “loging” isn’t a word.
From: nrickert <>
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“login” is almost always a reference to entering/authenticating to a
system.
Use “logging” for writing a log entry. I guess “logging” could also
mean cutting down trees
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From: flymail <>
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> My guess is writing a log file is ‘logging’.
Absolutely correct.
The stem is the verb: log'. In nautical terms, to log’ would be to
`record a missive down in a log-book’. The active
present tense of the third person singular conjugates thus:
He logs.
He is logging.
He has logged.
He has been logging.
In nautical English, the usage of this verb may be preposition-free or
followed by down' or up’.
The etymology of login', in terms of prompting a username/password combination is however very different. The word login’ is a contraction of log-in' or log in’. When log' is followed by the preposition in’ or on', it refers specifically to computational usage associated with prompting a username/password combination. Technically speaking, the word login’ does not exist (it is certainly not in the Oxford English
Dictionary) and therefore its inclusion in a
U.K. version of Linux constitutes a `bug’ .
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–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
That earlier thread was discussing a slightly different issue, so it is perhaps not actually relevant to the question at hand.
In any case, “logging in” seems the most appropriate.
One could insist on “loginning” but that seems too much of a mouthful.
Technically speaking, the
word login' does not exist (it is certainly _not_ in the Oxford English Dictionary) and therefore its inclusion in a U.K. version of Linux constitutes a bug’ .
Dictionaries are not really definitive on this question. Whether a word “exists” is mostly a matter of whether it is in common use in the particular community. Dictionaries are usually playing catch-up.
And a disclaimer. My field is mathematics and computer science, not English or lexicography. So take my comments with a grain of salt.
All correct, but it seems OP is confusing “loging” with “login”. The latter was made up many years ago probably by computer programmers, along with the “logout”.
BTW “log in” = log on, and “log on (or off)” is defined at least in my copy of the Oxford dictionary (“go through the procedures to begin (or conclude) use of a computer system”).
> That earlier thread was discussing a slightly different issue, so it is
> perhaps not actually relevant to the question at hand.
I understood that the OP was asking the same thing (in the P.S.), with
wrong spelling:
+++—————————————————————
P.S.: what’s the difference between “logging in” and “loging in”? I
remember someone told me one of them meant something like “writting a
log” and the other one meant “authentication in forums or the like”, but
I don’t remember which one…
—————————————————————+±
It is “log in” or “login”, as the act of entering credentials to a site
as the forums. Then “logging” (without “in”) refers to the act of
writing entries in a log. Finally, “loging in” is incorrect.
> And a disclaimer. My field is mathematics and computer science, not
> English or lexicography. So take my comments with a grain of salt.
My first language is not English, so I had to ask about these two words
on that other thread, on which further discussions could be made instead
of here, if wished
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
Thanks very much for illustrating very well the P.S. part. At least now it’s clearer.
But now back to original issue.
I clear everything in Internet Explorer 9: cookies, cache, temporal files, even history. I have done this either from Explorer itself and with CCleaner.
Anyway, I restart Explorer after that and enter openSUSE forums.
No matter in what page of the forums I am (main page, or a particular thread, etc…), I click the “Register|Login” link at the top right. I’m taken to Suse login page and I enter username and pass. This should redirect back to forums, but the page stays in blank as though trying to load, and finally “cannot load page”.
Also, if I now try to load forums main page (forums.opensuse.org) leads to the same result.
The only way I can enter is by opening a random openSUSE forums thread via Google, or refreshing it if it was opened before logging in. However if I try to refresh forums main page it doesn’t work.
I mentioned I tried also with a live Linux distro named Slitaz (latest version 5.0 RC1, already more than half a year old), with its default browser Midori. Same results except it says something else in the error page: “Too many redirects”.
I think the issue started circa a week ago.
What’s happening?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:53:12 +0000, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:56:01 +0000, nrickert wrote:
>
>> One could insist on “loginning” but that seems too much of a mouthful.
>
> Nor is it a word.
To clarify:
“login” is a noun. It either is the act of logging in.
It also can be used as a verb - ie, “to login”. This usage is considered
valid according to dictionaries, but technical writing guides are very
specific about never using that form. “to log in” is considered correct
by a number of technical writing references, including both the Microsoft
Manual of Style (which is the de facto standard used in technical writing
and even though it’s Microsoft, it is a good standard ), and as I
recall, this phrasing is also suggested by the Chicago Manual of Style
(which defers to Eric Raymond’s styles when it comes to use of technical
language in the field of computing).
In fact, esr’s writing is indirectly referenced by the Microsoft standard
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:16:02 +0000, consused wrote:
> hendersj;2678567 Wrote:
>>
>> > P.S.: what’s the difference between “logging in” and “loging in”?
>>
>> A ‘g’. Seriously, though, the first is the correct spelling, the
>> second is a misspelling.
>>
>> > I
>> > remember someone told me one of them meant something like “writting a
>> > log” and the other one meant “authentication in forums or the like”,
>> but
>> > I don’t remember which one…
>>
>> “logging in” is the phrase for authenticating to a system.
>>
>> “loging in” means nothing in English. “loging” isn’t a word.
>>
> All correct, but it seems OP is confusing “loging” with “login”. The
> latter was made up many years ago probably by computer programmers,
> along with the “logout”.
>
> BTW “log in” = log on, and “log on (or off)” is defined at least in my
> copy of the Oxford dictionary (“go through the procedures to begin (or
> conclude) use of a computer system” ).
That is correct.
“log in” is the proper verb form. “login” is, as I just wrote elsewhere
in the thread, typically a noun. Verb usage is possible, but in
technical writing, the verb form used according to every standard is “log
in”.
I should mention that by trade, I’m a technical writer, and I work for a
company that’s in cloud identity/security, so I write about “logging in”
and authentication services on pretty much a daily basis.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:56:01 +0000, F style wrote:
> Thanks very much for illustrating very well the P.S. part. At least now
> it’s clearer.
>
> But now back to original issue.
>
> I clear everything in Internet Explorer 9: cookies, cache, temporal
> files, even history. I have done this either from Explorer itself and
> with CCleaner.
> Anyway, I restart Explorer after that and enter openSUSE forums.
> No matter in what page of the forums I am (main page, or a particular
> thread, etc…), I click the “Register|Login” link at the top right. I’m
> taken to Suse login page and I enter username and pass. This should
> redirect back to forums, but the page stays in blank as though trying to
> load, and finally “cannot load page”.
> Also, if I now try to load forums main page (forums.opensuse.org) leads
> to the same result.
> The only way I can enter is by opening a random openSUSE forums thread
> via Google, or refreshing it if it was opened before logging in. However
> if I try to refresh forums main page it doesn’t work.
>
> I mentioned I tried also with a live Linux distro named Slitaz (latest
> version 5.0 RC1, already more than half a year old), with its default
> browser Midori. Same results except it says something else in the error
> page: “Too many redirects”.
>
> I think the issue started circa a week ago.
> What’s happening?
It’s usually cookies/cache - is it only with IE9, or do you get it with
Chrome/FF?
I’m a bit puzzled, because I have not seen the particular problem you describe.
I have had other problems with firefox. Typically, when the login cookies expire, I get a “corrupted content” message, or “the page is redirecting in a way that cannot be completed”. If I close the browser (which deletes all session cookies) and try again, that works.
Recently, I have been using “rekonq” for the forum, and that is working reasonably well, except that pasting selected text does not work properly.
If you are using “noscript” with “firefox”, then try “allow scripts globally” before login (and turn that off after login). See if that improves things. If it does, then you are probably missing a site that you need to whitelist.
Tried Firefox 33 and Chrome 35 on another Windows 7 Ultimate x64 rig. No problems with forums there. Came back to rig with IExplorer 9, tried also Slitaz’s Midori again, same problems on both.
I hope it doesn’t make much difference the fact of being different PC’s… the other one happened to have Firefox and Chrome installed, but I cannot mess with any of the 2 rigs, they’re not mine.
Still surprises me just a week ago I had no problems at all with IExplorer 9 nor Midori…
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:36:01 +0000, F style wrote:
> Tried Firefox 33 and Chrome 35 on another Windows 7 Ultimate x64 rig. No
> problems with forums there. Came back to rig with IExplorer 9, tried
> also Slitaz’s Midori again, same problems on both.
>
> I hope it doesn’t make much difference the fact of being different
> PC’s…
> the other one happened to have Firefox and Chrome installed, but I
> cannot mess with any of the 2 rigs, they’re not mine.
>
> Still surprises me just a week ago I had no problems at all with
> IExplorer 9 nor Midori…
It sounds like the cookies aren’t being cleared, even though you’ve said
that you cleared the cookies.
I would try Chrome and/or FF on the same machine, just to be sure.
I’d wish, but I cannot modify the local rig here since it’s not mine…
Though, when using Slitaz distro I always use it Live, i.e., boot directly from CD and let it load all into RAM. So each time I start it it should start with no previous data whatsoever, neither cookies. And I get the same problem on its browser, Midori.
And again, more than a week ago I had no problems on Midori, nor IExplorer 9. This forum problem just suddenly appeared. And I made no changes on Windows, and Slitaz always boots anew since it’s live… (Slitaz’s Midori says “too many redirects”).
Looks like a *** permanent problem from now on and it frustrates me since I’m trapped with these browsers.
Only thing that would make a bit of sense is some recent change somewhere in the forums that would affect older browsers or kind of. But what could that be?
Just to be sure: the forum problem here is that after logging in I’m not redirected back to forums, it won’t load anything but “cannot display page” after a while. Neither I can load forums main page, I have to load some other thread or the like.
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 23:26:01 +0000, F style wrote:
> I’d wish, but I cannot modify the local rig here since it’s not mine…
>
> Though, when using Slitaz distro I always use it Live, i.e., boot
> directly from CD and let it load all into RAM. So each time I start it
> it should start with no previous data whatsoever, neither cookies. And I
> get the same problem on its browser, Midori.
>
> And again, more than a week ago I had no problems on Midori, nor
> IExplorer 9. This forum problem just suddenly appeared. And I made no
> changes on Windows, and Slitaz always boots anew since it’s live…
> (Slitaz’s Midori says “too many redirects”).
>
> Looks like a *** permanent problem from now on and it frustrates me
> since I’m trapped with these browsers.
> Only thing that would make a bit of sense is some recent change
> somewhere in the forums that would affect older browsers or kind of. But
> what could that be?
>
> Just to be sure: the forum problem here is that after logging in I’m not
> redirected back to forums, it won’t load anything but “cannot display
> page” after a while. Neither I can load forums main page, I have to load
> some other thread or the like.
Well, yes, that’s the classic redirect loop, and in every instance to
date, it’s been fixed by clearing cache/cookies. In the instances where
it hasn’t been fixed by that, it’s turned out that the cache/cookies
weren’t cleared as the user thought they had been.
Thet how is it explained that it also suddenly started to happen in a LIVE CD? The distro is Slitaz 5.0 RC1, released March of this year. It uses Midori as browser.
Let’s imagine I magically got the worst serious nasty cookies/browser/perfect_virus problems on Windows (which I’m already starting to believe given the few help here…). How can it also happen in a live distro where each time it’s started it has no previous cookies or previous files other than the ones the CD comes with? A live CD works by loading the system’s files from the CD directly to RAM, and when shutting down all content in RAM is wiped out.
Unless you tell me the PC and CD magically changed behaviors, as if being alive…
Just a quick update:
I tried yet another different rig, with Windows 7 Professional 32 bits though, but with IExplorer 11 and Chrome 39.
IExplorer: same cookie tests, etc, and SAME RESULTS. Chrome: no problems.
Now it got a bit weirder, and I still keep the doubts in the immediate above post.
But, if someone happens to tell me “I use IExplorer and I have happily no problems with it”, #$%#&#!!! It would mean there’s now an ugly issue with just my particular account in certain browsers, and that would be far too much…
So far tried: Firefox, Chrome with no problems; IExplorer, Midori with problems.
I had heard IExplorer 11 had still problems with several websites, but I’d have never expected and older IExplorer had problems as well…
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:36:01 +0000, F style wrote:
> Thet how is it explained that it also suddenly started to happen in a
> LIVE CD? The distro is Slitaz 5.0 RC1, released March of this year. It
> uses Midori as browser.
>
> Let’s imagine I magically got the worst serious nasty
> cookies/browser/perfect_virus problems on Windows (which I’m already
> starting to believe given the few help here…). How can it also happen
> in a live distro where each time it’s started it has no previous
> cookies or previous files other than the ones the CD comes with? A live
> CD works by loading the system’s files from the CD directly to RAM, and
> when shutting down all content in RAM is wiped out.
>
> Unless you tell me the PC and CD magically changed behaviors, as if
> being alive…
No need to get angry, I’m just telling you what the experience has been
in the past.
Please provide an exact step-by-step process to reproduce your issue, in
a way that I (or someone else on staff) can reproduce it. I haven’t been
able to, so I had to assume that it’s something at your end causing the
problem.
If that’s not the case, then you’re doing something I’m not, and I need
to know exactly what you’re doing in order to reproduce it. If I can
reproduce it, I can get someone else to reproduce it who can fix the
issue.
.
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