It’s ok now. He will install openSUSE to his system.
On 2011-03-29 19:36, stamostolias wrote:
> It’s ok now. He will install openSUSE to his system.
That might not be wise.
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(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
On 03/29/2011 02:36 AM, vike4 wrote:
>
> i did’t download it.it comes with my laptop.it is suse linux enterprise
> desktop 11.is there any difference between open suse and sled in
> programming and terminal?please help me.
There is a difference between SLED and openSUSE. SLED is based on
openSUSE, but it’s probably from the version 10 series or an earlier
version 11. Regardless, openSUSE repositories shouldn’t be used with SLED.
Every version of SLES, SLED, and openSUSE has it’s own set of repos from
which software and updates can be downloaded. Because the programs are
compiled using different versions of the libraries and such, you can’t
mix and match indiscriminately. You have to set up the repos to match
your installation.
Also, you get 30 days worth of updates from Novell after you register
SLED, but after that you have to purchase a support contract. If you
don’t want to pay for patch updating you should install openSUSE…
…Kevin
Kevin Miller
Juneau, Alaska
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On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 19:38 +0000, Kevin Miller wrote:
> On 03/29/2011 02:36 AM, vike4 wrote:
> >
> > i did’t download it.it comes with my laptop.it is suse linux enterprise
> > desktop 11.is there any difference between open suse and sled in
> > programming and terminal?please help me.
>
> There is a difference between SLED and openSUSE. SLED is based on
> openSUSE, but it’s probably from the version 10 series or an earlier
> version 11. Regardless, openSUSE repositories shouldn’t be used with SLED.
>
> Every version of SLES, SLED, and openSUSE has it’s own set of repos from
> which software and updates can be downloaded. Because the programs are
> compiled using different versions of the libraries and such, you can’t
> mix and match indiscriminately. You have to set up the repos to match
> your installation.
>
> Also, you get 30 days worth of updates from Novell after you register
> SLED, but after that you have to purchase a support contract. If you
> don’t want to pay for patch updating you should install openSUSE…
>
> …Kevin
Hi
Not quite true, if it’s an OEM install eg the users system is HP. Dell
or MSI they will have anywhere between 1 and 3 years of updates and
support (by the OEM) depending on what they purchased.
For the SLE OEM install if it’s an HP, they provide there own customized
repositories for drivers eg ATI, Nvidia, Bluetooth and WLAN etc there is
a HP person that keeps an eye on the SLED forums as well to help users,
but in the first instance it’s better to contact whomever for support
since it’s part of the system purchase.
@OP, what system do you have? I strongly recommend you post over in the
novell forums if you want help, else as others have said install
openSUSE 
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On 03/29/2011 01:15 PM, malcolmlewis wrote:
> Hi
> Not quite true, if it’s an OEM install eg the users system is HP. Dell
> or MSI they will have anywhere between 1 and 3 years of updates and
> support (by the OEM) depending on what they purchased.
Thanks Malcolm - I didn’t realize that. Good to know…
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Why? We are openSUSE forum. Our duty is to guide new members.
On 03/30/2011 08:36 AM, stamostolias wrote:
>
> Why? We are openSUSE forum. Our duty is to guide new members.
yes, but it is NOT our duty to guide them to remove the SUSE Linus
Enterprise Desktop (SLED) which was factory installed on their new HP,
Dell or MSI computer…
which is supported by Novell at forums.novell.com
if he removes SLED and installs openSUSE it will probably cause him to
lose his new computer warranty (i say probably, because i have not
seen his warranty)…
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This is one last attempt to get information from you.
Why are you trying to use SLED on that system. Is it delivered with it? Did you found SLED somewhere in a drawer? Please, when you do not inform us about your situation, it is VERY DIFFICULT to advice you on anything. I (and others) only SUGGESTED that in a home PC situation openSUSE might be better. But you did not report back that that is indeed your case. Most of us are still wondering why you are doing what you are doing.
And when you are feeding garbage information, you will get garbage advice. Advices will be very different from different people beacuse with you vague information everybody will see a different bit of information and answer on assumptions. Thus some will say:
. you may be better off to use openSUSE;
. you will definitely be better off to use openSUSE;
. you may spoil your SLED waranty when installing openSUSE;
. you should not ask here at all, but at Novell because al lot of answers here will be rightout wrong;
. etc.
Be aware that what you do, in the end it is your desicion and your responsability.
To all others:
Please in this and any other threads where people asking things are not telling what OS they use, make sure for yourself that whatever your answer is, it is either true for every OS, or first ask for openSUSE level. It is very easy to give bad advice to somebody when you make assumptions about his/her openSUSE level. This is the more true when people do not even use openSUSE, but SLES/SLED. When people declare from the beginning they are using SLE, (when you get the slightest idea they do, then ask first for confirmation) then do not answer unless you know a lot about SLE. A good idea is allways to point them to the Novell forums, a link is in the list on the main page of our Forums here.
Be aware of the fact that a quick but wrong advice can lead to a broken system of an innocent user and to a complete loss of trust in our forums.
On 2011-03-30 11:06, hcvv wrote:
> To all others:
> Please in this and any other threads where people asking things are not
> telling what OS they use, make sure for yourself that whatever your
> answer is, it is either true for every OS, or first ask for openSUSE
> level. It is very easy to give bad advice to somebody when you make
> assumptions about his/her openSUSE level. This is the more true when
> people do not even use openSUSE, but SLES/SLED. When people declare from
> the beginning they are using SLE,
He did not say that from the beginning 
He said that in the output of a command in the fourth post, not directly.
Later he said “i did’t download it.it comes with my laptop”, which made me
assume there will be a warranty involved (if it is a cheap laptop with “no
system” or no support, they don’t install SLED).
> Be aware of the fact that a quick but wrong advice can lead to a broken
> system of an innocent user and to a complete loss of trust in our
> forums.
Absolutely.
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Cheers / Saludos,
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(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
Carlos,
You are correct, but my remarks above are made in general, not to anybody on this thread in particular and not even on this thread in particular.
There were a few SLE threads last days and almost all of them became a mess of good ment advices. I hope that in the future we all are more aware of the phenomenon and act accordingly for the benefit of the original OPs of those threads and all the others that may later stumble into them by using all sorts of searching techniques.
On 03/30/2011 11:06 AM, hcvv wrote:
> Be aware of the fact that a quick but wrong advice can lead to a broken
> system of an innocent user and to a complete loss of trust in our
> forums.
every word of your post was needed and well said…thank you…
for me, i will do my best to give advice only after i have carefully
weighed possibilities and thought about it…certainly i would rather
receive the correct advice in two hours (or two weeks) than the wrong
advice in 10 minutes…
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On 2011-03-30 13:06, hcvv wrote:
>
> Carlos,
>
> You are correct, but my remarks above are made in general, not to
> anybody on this thread in particular and not even on this thread in
> particular.
> There were a few SLE threads last days and almost all of them became a
> mess of good ment advices. I hope that in the future we all are more
> aware of the phenomenon and act accordingly for the benefit of the
> original OPs of those threads and all the others that may later stumble
> into them by using all sorts of searching techniques.
I’ll try to tune my radar
I have a doubt: why do SLES/SLED users come here? Error is fine, I mean, I
understand, but I remember one case when the user insisted we try to help
him, and it was clearly an enterprise problem (netware, was it?). We
managed to solve his issue, but it was more difficult for us that would
have been for them, I think.
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Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
Of course I can only guess why they come here (I can not look into their brains), but it may be any combination of:
. Googled on SUSE and found us;
. Found us, but did not take a further look at our main page where SLED/SLES users are directed to the correct forums;
. They are not served at the Novell as good as at our forums (at least they think so) (I do not know if we have to be proud about that or that we are the silly ones that solve commercial problems for nothing);
. more ???
Sometimes we can help them and I know there are amongst us who know more about SLE and can decide if and how they can help here. But those who know much less about SLE better point to the Novell forums and leave in at the meantime to other more knowing if they come to the rescue. It is imho not a case of “we do not want to help”, but “we may not have enough knowledge and we may give bad advice”. And of course we may not even (or barely) notice that it is a SLE user. It is therefore that I allways ask people to tell which openSUSE level before I even start giving answers. Some then show up with 10.3 (or older) or SLE and that is illuminating for those who try to help imho.
Hi
We seem to get more SLE that I see openSUSE ones in the SLE forums,
maybe their google-foo on suse always points to these forums.
There are a few users who get upset on the SLE forums when I advise they
go to the OEM for info, but at least for HP they do monitor the forums
now…
If a user doesn’t want to go to the other forum, there is not a lot you
can do… but I can always ask one the other NKP’s to pop over here as
well.
On 2011-03-30 12:49, DenverD wrote:
> for me, i will do my best to give advice only after i have carefully
> weighed possibilities and thought about it…
Mmmm, no, I’m not that careful O:-)
> certainly i would rather
> receive the correct advice in two hours (or two weeks) than the wrong
> advice in 10 minutes…
Can it be that some take us for “support” and our word as completely
reliable? Some seem to jump on the first advice without waiting for contrast.
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Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
On 03/30/2011 07:06 PM, hcvv wrote:
>
> It is therefore that I
> allways ask people to tell which openSUSE level before I even start
> giving answers. Some then show up with 10.3 (or older) or SLE and that
> is illuminating for those who try to help imho.
>
i wish no one here would ever answer a help question until both the
openSUSE & DE version had been declared…(unless, of course you have
worked several requests from one user in a very short time…)
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On 03/30/2011 06:09 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Can it be that some take us for “support” and our word as completely
> reliable? Some seem to jump on the first advice without waiting for contrast.
my experience is that some don’t take us for “support”, but most do.
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