Poll: Forums Archive, do we still need it?

As you probably know, we have an archive section (Forums Archive (READ ONLY) - openSUSE Forums) where you can find content from the original forums which existed before they merged into forums.opensuse.org.

The team wonders if you still use these archived messages. The openSUSE versions which were on topic back then have reached their end of life and aren’t supported any more.

If you don’t need the archives, we could delete them. If you need them, we’ll of course keep them. Raise your voice :slight_smile:

Thank you
Uwe

the opensuse versions in these archives may be end of life by now, but these archives contaion much more than just suse stuff. They contain a lot of general Linux help/commands, multimedia stuff, how to do stuff, etc… I say keep them!

Many times, when you do a Google search for info, the results will include many of these archived posts. I’d say keep 'em if at all possible.

Yup, and if you delete them, it’s basically saying “screw you” to all the people who have invested time in the past in fixing problems or providing advice

Hi
My vote goes to keeping the archive :slight_smile:


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I support this.

I suppose that checking them one by one, if they are expired or not, is to time consuming. So leave them if possible. Search engines will still find usefull threads for people.

Personally I can’t remember the last time I was in the archives. But I can understand why some might find the info there useful. I’ll not loose any sleep either way.

that’s because you an me are pretty knowledgeable when it comes to Linux. This is not true for most newbies and I have seen newbies and guests more than on one occasion browse through the archives

As hcw mentioned, if they could be checked for relevancy, it would be good, but probably not practical. Maybe this could be reviewed again over next couple of years. It would be interesting to see the stats on activity of this read-only forum. Its sort of like keeping old technical books - they become more nostalgic and less useful with time.

A very succinct observation deano. I have just such a collection of old books. We raised this issue of stats in the Moderator area, it would be interesting.

Not necessarily. Old does not always equal outdated and depending on the topic itself, it still could be very much useful even today and I bet in the future too. For example, the directory structure and basic linux commands are still the same as they were 5-10 years ago. Trouble shooting multimedia problems is still the same as it was 5 years ago. Configuration of servers hasn’t changed much either, same goes for setting up RAID arrays. Of course, files and some options may have changed, but the concept and where to look around is still very much the same. For example, check out the HowTo discussion of the SLS archives. There’s still a lot of valid information on how to do things, including building kernels which is still the same and won’t change much in the future, writing init boot scripts (the howto I wrote) which hasn’t changed at all and is still valid, etc

Also, I don’t see a real reason why to remove them, even if traffic is low there. Does it really hurt this site performance? If not, then let them be. This forum is just about 1 year old and people already think in throwing out older (much of it still valid) information from the previous forums

This forum is just about 1 year old and people already think in throwing out older (much of it still valid) information from the previous forums

I assume thats why this thread was initiated - to get a gauge on this. That why I believe it should be reviewed again at a later date. However, as much as some of the HOW TO’s content might be perpetual, I think it would be good to either check or filter the content (as suggested before by hcw and myself), or better still, update any topic that requires it. Now, I know this would take both suitable volunteers and time, and that is why I acknowledged the practicality as an issue. However, (as harsh as this sounds), I know it would not be the end of the world if it was deleted.

My $1 worth.

On 7/14/2009 5:46 AM, microchip8 wrote:
> caf4926;2011961 Wrote:
>> A very succinct observation deano. I have just such a collection of old
>> books. We raised this issue of stats in the Moderator area, it would be
>> interesting.
>
> Not necessarily. Old does not always equal outdated and depending on
> the topic itself, it still could be very much useful even today and I
> bet in the future too. For example, the directory structure and basic
> linux commands are still the same as they were 5-10 years ago. Trouble
> shooting multimedia problems is still the same as it was 5 years ago.
> Configuration of servers hasn’t changed much either, same goes for
> setting up RAID arrays. Of course, files and some options may have
> changed, but the concept and where to look around is still very much the
> same. For example, check out the HowTo discussion of the SLS archives.
> There’s still a lot of valid information on how to do things, including
> building kernels which is still the same and won’t change much in the
> future, writing init boot scripts (the howto I wrote) which hasn’t
> changed at all and is still valid, etc
>
And iirc, those HOWTO’s were moved to the wiki anyway so they would
still be valid and accessible.

Going the other way what is the reason for removing them?

If people are going for redundancy then this could be like painting the forth bridge.

I think only the ‘official’ ones from SLS wiki were moved, not those in the SLS HowTo discussion section of the old forum, ARCHIVES - HowTos Discussions - openSUSE Forums

There are many still valid tips and tricks there

On 7/14/2009 11:26 AM, FeatherMonkey wrote:
> Going the other way what is the reason for removing them?
>
> If people are going for redundancy then this could be like painting the
> forth bridge.
>
>
Partially for the fact that 10.3 was the OS when the merge happened and
its EOL is in Oct. Another reason in forums real estate. If the archives
are not really used, that space could be used for other things that the
staff is working on.

On 7/14/2009 11:32 AM, 69_rs_ss wrote:
> On 7/14/2009 11:26 AM, FeatherMonkey wrote:
>> Going the other way what is the reason for removing them?
>>
>> If people are going for redundancy then this could be like painting the
>> forth bridge.
>>
>>
> Partially for the fact that 10.3 was the OS when the merge happened and
> its EOL is in Oct. Another reason in forums real estate. If the archives
> are not really used, that space could be used for other things that the
> staff is working on.
That’s just my opinion though.

Christ just over one year gone and there is a need for real estate not looking good.

Hi
What is the size of the archive, maybe it could be offered as an iso
download?


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On 7/14/2009 11:36 AM, microchip8 wrote:
> 69_rs_ss;2012253 Wrote:
>> On 7/14/2009 5:46 AM, microchip8 wrote:
>>> caf4926;2011961 Wrote:
>>>> A very succinct observation deano. I have just such a collection of
>> old
>>>> books. We raised this issue of stats in the Moderator area, it would
>> be
>>>> interesting.
>>> Not necessarily. Old does not always equal outdated and depending on
>>> the topic itself, it still could be very much useful even today and
>> I
>>> bet in the future too. For example, the directory structure and
>> basic
>>> linux commands are still the same as they were 5-10 years ago.
>> Trouble
>>> shooting multimedia problems is still the same as it was 5 years
>> ago.
>>> Configuration of servers hasn’t changed much either, same goes for
>>> setting up RAID arrays. Of course, files and some options may have
>>> changed, but the concept and where to look around is still very much
>> the
>>> same. For example, check out the HowTo discussion of the SLS
>> archives.
>>> There’s still a lot of valid information on how to do things,
>> including
>>> building kernels which is still the same and won’t change much in
>> the
>>> future, writing init boot scripts (the howto I wrote) which hasn’t
>>> changed at all and is still valid, etc
>>>
>> And iirc, those HOWTO’s were moved to the wiki anyway so they would
>> still be valid and accessible.
>
> I think only the ‘official’ ones from SLS wiki were moved, not those in
> the SLS HowTo discussion section of the old forum, ‘ARCHIVES - HowTos
> Discussions - openSUSE Forums’ (http://tinyurl.com/lxgnev)
>
> There are many still valid tips and tricks there
>
>
Hmm, you might be right. Hopefully oldcpu can chime in here as I believe
he was the one that did most of the moving.