Please don't kill Cinnamon!

@ketheriel, the maintainer of Cinnamon desktop environment in openSUSE, is going to abadon and remove it from the repo, due to some issues. It’s a very sad news, while Cinnamon is getting more popular among users committed to GNOME 2. That’s why I am asking if anybody of you could maintain Cinnamon for some time, so that it would stay alive? Or just make one version compatible with upcoming openSUSE 12.2? It would be great! Thanks a lot!

@ketheriel, please don’t kill Cinnamon !
Please see my post here: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/472201-cinnamon-just-refuses-load-up-12-1-x86_64-a-4.html#post2472337

On 07/05/2012 03:26 AM, rugbygangster wrote:
> That’s why I am asking if anybody of you could
> maintain Cinnamon for some time, so that it would stay alive?

as far as i can tell it will still be ‘alive’…just not packaged for
openSUSE, and therefore not as easy to instal…

but, as it is an open source project you should be free to download the
source, compile and install it yourself…

on the other hand if you wish easy installation then i think that also
available on to Mint, and maybe other distros…

“free software” among other things, means you have the freedom to choose
which way you wanna go: easy or not…


dd

This is not an argument. It’s about keeping a package in the distro… And Cinnamon is not just another simple program to compile.

On 07/05/2012 10:26 AM, please try again wrote:
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> This is not an argument.

i didn’t think it was and argument, and i was not arguing…

just pointing out that Nelson deciding he can/will no longer package
Cinnamon does not mean that decision will “kill Cinnamon!” (see subject)…

it only means that Cinnamon will no longer be (YaST/zypper) easy to
install on openSUSE

> It’s about keeping a package in the
> distro… And Cinnamon is not just another simple program to compile.

yes…no different than i already wrote and all have the option:

not easy = run Cinnamon on openSUSE
easy = run Cinnamon on Mint

in neither case is Cinnamon is ‘killed’…not even wounded…
just no longer easy.


dd

It will at least for openSUSE if neither the package nor the source rpm is available in repos. The consequence is that users will either not use cinnamon in openSUSE or switch to Mint - which is of course a possibility but implies a bunch of other changes to your habits.

The option maybe, but how many have the knowledge and the time to do that? I fully understand that Nelson doesn’t feel like to fight with those stupid bugs anymore. And Cinnamon might end up killing itself too. That’s why I suggested not touching it for now. If you withdraw the package - including the rpm source - from the repo, it will also become more difficult to build and install it “properly” - as I read that Fedora people don’t want to do it either, and porting from Debian to openSUSE is a lot more work.

To be more specific, you’ll probably have to compile cinnamon anyway if you’re using proprietary graphic drivers(I explained how in another thread). But since you can install the package and the rpm source (with a .spec file optimized for openSUSE), you don’t need to be an expert. You just need to build it with rpmbuild, change the RPATH and overwrite the one installed with the package. Once you know how to do it, it’s do-able - although I’m quite sure that end users won’t necessarily enjoy compiling. If you don’t use ATI or nvidia proprietary drivers, you should be fine. Thus it’s not perfect but it’s working now.

Yes. And I would definitely advise people to use Mint. But not everyone switchs distros like that. When was it the last time you used Mint, @dd? or even Debian?

Whenever I “vaporize” something (according to the terms Nelson chose), it usually doesn’t survive… and if it still moves, I just vaporize again. IMO “Don’t kill Cinnamon!” was an appropriate and logical objection.

On 07/05/2012 02:16 PM, please try again wrote:
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> When was it the last time you used Mint, @dd?

used never…booted once…

> or even Debian?

within the last year i seriously considered moving to Debian…its
ok…its GREAT, but i know a LOT more about here, and i am lazy…so…

i wouldn’t move to either just to avoid building from source…and, if
Cinnamon proved too difficult, i’m sure i could find something i could
live with from: KDE4, KDE3, GMOME2, LXDE, Xfce etc etc etc…

i mean after years of Windows i moved to OS/2’s Presentation Manager for
years, and then years of Gnome, and then to KDE and after a while they
are all ok…


dd

On 2012-07-05 14:16, please try again wrote:
>
> dd@home.dk;2472858 Wrote:
>> On 07/05/2012 10:26 AM, please try again wrote:
>>>
>>> This is not an argument.
>>
>> just pointing out that Nelson deciding he can/will no longer package
>> Cinnamon does not mean that decision will “kill Cinnamon!” (see
>> subject)…
>>
>
> It will at least for openSUSE if neither the package nor the source
> rpm is available in repos. The consequence is that users will either not
> use cinnamon in openSUSE or switch to Mint - which is of course a
> possibility but implies a bunch of other changes to your habits.

The wording of Nelson’s post implies that it is very difficult to maintain
the package for openSUSE. Maybe it needs a team, not one person. And
upstream doesn’t help, he says.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

I suggested not touching it for a while but not removing it from the repo either. I explained why earlier (post #6)

On 2012-07-05 15:16, please try again wrote:

> I suggested not touching it for a while but not removing it from the
> repo either. I explained why earlier (post #6)

Yes, removing it may be excessive - but I don’t know what happens to a repo
that does not build.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

Thanks for the reaction! I know that you will be always able to build Cinnanom from source and reinvent the patches, but not providing future packages and deleting existing ones is indeed killing the project for vast majority of users. So for the sake of existing Cinnamon users, please leave the packages as they are and maybe somebody will pick them up when Cinnamon 1.5 will be ready.

Cinnamon is still alive! Cinnamon 1.6.0 Preview available for openSUSE | n.marques.so

I haven’t checked so far, but the 12.1 repo is dead now.