Have it very difficult to find info that pertains to the version of openSUSE that I am using.
If I am using 12.3 i find lots of info on 11.2 or some other version that does not help.
Thanks for you consideration.
Tony
Honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about.
Can you provide more information, such as what you are looking at or what you are trying to do.
Are you in the right forum ? Any technical questions go here https://forums.opensuse.org/english/
On 2013-05-07 04:06, vazhavandan wrote:
> Are you in the right forum ? Any technical questions go here
My guess is that he wants to do a forum search where one of the fields
specifies the search is for 12.3 only.
But it is only a wild guess as good as any other’s – I don’t understand
his question.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
On Tue, 07 May 2013 01:16:01 +0000, alienlikesSUSE wrote:
> Have it very difficult to find info that pertains to the version of
> openSUSE that I am using.
> If I am using 12.3 i find lots of info on 11.2 or some other version
> that does not help.
>
>
> Thanks for you consideration.
A lot of people put their version in their signature - the problem is
that when they upgrade and change their signatures, the signature on the
older posts change as well (if posted from the web - NNTP signatures are
not changed), so that can make things confusing.
We can’t make a change like this to the forum software very easily, as it
would break upgrades and updates to the software itself. What I would be
inclined to do is look at the date of the posts if you find something
that looks like it might be relevant, and if it’s more than 8 months old
(the expected lifecycle of a single openSUSE release), it’s probably no
longer relevant to you.
There are times when an old post can be helpful, though - while a lot of
things change, some things don’t. Running a command like lsusb or lspci
to get configuration information or to see if a device is being
recognized by the OS is valid for every release going back several years.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On Tue, 07 May 2013 05:35:38 +0000, Jim Henderson wrote:
> We can’t make a change like this to the forum software very easily, as
> it would break upgrades and updates to the software itself.
Thinking a little more about this, I’m wondering if maybe you’re
referring to the language selection that has forums underneath it (I was
thinking about the language selector at the bottom of the page, but
thinking a little further, maybe that was what you were thinking of?)
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On 05/07/2013 03:16 AM, alienlikesSUSE wrote:
> If I am using 12.3 i find lots of info on 11.2 or some other version
> that does not help.
imo, the forum search software is not the best way to search for
version specific answers (because it lacks the choice you ask
for–which, as others have answered can’t be added easily…)
however, if you use google to search and restrict your search to
the forums by using their site specifier, like
site:forums.opensuse.org
and also put in the version number inside parenthesis you have a good
chance to find version specific answers, for example these two search
strings give different, and both very version specific result:
- site:forums.opensuse.org “12.2” grub missing
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aforums.opensuse.org+“12.2”+grub+missing
- site:forums.opensuse.org “12.3” grub missing
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aforums.opensuse.org+“12.3”+grub+missing
of course, those will miss ALL questions/answers without the
specified version number–even though they may have information which
is very useful in your situation…
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dd
openSUSE®, the “German Engineered Automobile” of operating systems!
Sorry for the miss understanding.
The idea is simple. Answers that relate to a version openSUSE 12.3 for example would be shown.
If you want info on a different version then you look in that version.
I get that some answers work on all version but find that not very often.
A good example is any answer about grub problems that include “look at or change menu.1st” or
anything about boot UEFI, efibootmgr, efi,secure boot.
The only usable info must be just for the version your using.
Just try to get current correct info on nvidia “the hard way” video card driver just for openSUSE 12.3. Good luck
The fact that you need to update your Kernel to =>3.8 just to get it to work right for starters.
Please understand I think your forums for openSUSE are the best on the web.
It would be like this Login —> choose preferred language–>english → please choose openSUSE version–> 12.3
enter forums for 12.3
now choose section.
boot
hardware
multimedia
games
network
> try to get current correct info on nvidia “the hard way” video
> card driver just for openSUSE 12.3. Good luck
900+ hits
https://www.google.com/search?q=site:forums.opensuse.org+nvidia+“hard+way”+“12.3”
somewhere in there i would guess at least one correct answer…
not easy to find, but a lot easier than when using the forum’s search
function. (which does not allow “12.3”)
and, don’t forget there is also a wiki
https://www.google.com/search?q=site:en.opensuse.org+nvidia+“hard+way”+“12.3”
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dd
Thank you
I am not the only one in the world who noticed.
On 05/07/2013 08:16 PM, alienlikesSUSE wrote:
> Thank you
> I am not the only one in the world who noticed.
and, i see the forum [POS] software mangled my search giving 900 plus
12.3 hits:
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dd
On Tue, 07 May 2013 17:46:01 +0000, alienlikesSUSE wrote:
> It would be like this Login —> choose preferred language–>english
> → please choose openSUSE version–> 12.3 enter forums for 12.3 now
> choose section.
>
> boot hardware multimedia games network
I see, thanks, that clarifies a bit - I was thinking about in a different
place.
Thinking out loud - in a structure like this, how would you accommodate
questions that were cross-version, or questions that were unclear about
which version the user was using? (Say, a 12.2 user posts in the 12.3
section)
Jim
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
“Thinking out loud - in a structure like this, how would you accommodate
questions that were cross-version, or questions that were unclear about
which version the user was using? (Say, a 12.2 user posts in the 12.3
section)”
“cross-version” If the answer works in both version great.
If your already in the 12.3 version then the answer should work with that version no matter if it is “unclear” the version the user is using.
They should not post in the 12.3 say if they only know or use 11.3 Of course that might be asking too much thinking.
So many changes even from 12.2 to 12.3 cause solutions used for one break the other. example anything about UEFI or grub2.
Am i right in understanding that you suggest version based subforums? My 2 cents: no way. It would imply a reorganization of the forums every 8 months. And a lot of double posting, since generic solutions for all versions would be spread across the version based subforums.
On Tue, 07 May 2013 20:56:02 +0000, alienlikesSUSE wrote:
> If your already in the 12.3 version then the answer should work with
> that version no matter if it is “unclear” the version the user is using.
> They should not post in the 12.3 say if they only know or use 11.3 Of
> course that might be asking too much thinking.
One of the challenges of online forums is often times, people ask without
thinking about where they’re asking - that’s something that’s generally
not helped by creating more divisions.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On Tue, 07 May 2013 21:06:02 +0000, Knurpht wrote:
> Am i right in understanding that you suggest version based subforums?
Without saying whether I think it’s a feasible idea or not, I can see
that having an active sub-forum per version might work - new version
comes out, new sub-forums for that version are added; old version is EOL,
old forums are set to read only.
Perhaps another option, though, would be for staff to have a discussion
about message expiration. I can see that searching and finding really
old answers that don’t apply any more reduces the usefulness of having an
archive.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
Main subforum for each version active version would mean having these many forums as of now. 12.3,12.2,12.1,11.4 and you give Tumbler its own forums
https://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime , https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Evergreen
Not to mention subforums under each active main forum. Looks humanly impossible to maintain.
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On 2013-05-07 23:29, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 21:06:02 +0000, Knurpht wrote:
>
>> Am i right in understanding that you suggest version based subforums?
>
> Without saying whether I think it’s a feasible idea or not, I can see
> that having an active sub-forum per version might work - new version
> comes out, new sub-forums for that version are added; old version is EOL,
> old forums are set to read only.
IMHO, having subforums appearing for new releases could be a mess. Also,
consider the nntp side, having to add those each time…
And some questions can have relevance for several versions.
I have an idea, but I don’t know if it is feasible or not: simply have a
“field” where users say what version their question is about (like in
bugzilla). And that field could be used in searches.
But that needs support from the forum software, I suppose :-?
If having such a field is possible at all, others would be useful:
desktop used, etc. What we often ask on many threads at the start.
Maybe… something like a form when entering a new post (like in
bugzilla). You click on a few places, and a text header is added to the
first post, in a standard format. The advantage is that being text it
would be visible from the nntp side.
All of that need software support, so I don’t see it feasible…
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
Knurpht wrote:
> Am i right in understanding that you suggest version based subforums?
> My 2 cents: no way. It would imply a reorganization of the forums every
> 8 months. And a lot of double posting, since generic solutions for all
> versions would be spread across the version based subforums.
+1 in spades. IMHO, this would be completely unworkable. For a start,
many questions depend on the version of a system component rather than
the OS, and even then only rather weakly. NFS comes to mind as a prime
example, but then so does USB or audio etc etc.
I for one would find it really irritating to have to subscribe to new
sub-forums after every release and basically start actively managing my
subscriptions. Irritating to the point that I probably wouldn’t do it,
to be honest.
Finally, in any collaborative scheme there is an issue of audience
fragmentation; what the financial markets call liquidity; what some
physics types call critical mass. Being able to specify something very
precisely is no help at all if it means you have nobody to discuss it with.