I currently use Amarok for music playing. However, it is not completely satisfactory. So I am asking for suggestions based on experience.
Let me illustrate the problem that I have with an example.
I have a CD with Beethoven’s 5th and 6th symphonies. If I play that on my audio CD player, it sounds good. However, I can program my audio CD player with a playlist so that it only plays the 5th. And then it sounds awful.
Presumably, when I play the whole CD, it just streams the complete audio. When I build a playlist for the 5th symphony only, the audio CD player apparently inserts a gap between each track. And that’s what sounds awful. When playing the complete CD (without a playlist), the 3rd movement flows smoothly into the 4th movement. When using a playlist, the transition between those movements is very rough.
So, now back to opensuse and Amarok. I have ripped that CD into files. I build a playlist for the 5th symphony. And the transition from the 3rd movement to the 4th movement is rough. It isn’t as rough as using a playlist directly on the audio CD player, but it is still a bit unpleasant.
I’ve described the problem with one piece of music. But I find similar problems with other classical music.
I guess I am looking for a player that does not insert a gap between music files, or for which the length of the gap can be programmed (hopefully to zero).
You might rip the tracks onto disk into ogg files and check whether they make a difference. You should also try “rhythmbox” , “banshee”(requires mp3 fluendo from non oss if you need mp3 support),“clementine”,“audacious”(requires audacious plugins) if Amarok doesn’t make the cut.
> I guess I am looking for a player that does not insert a gap between
> music files, or for which the length of the gap can be programmed
> (hopefully to zero).
Well, it is either a setting in the player or in the ripper, or in both.
In my amarok, settings, playback, I see a setting for fadeout with
adjustable duration. I have it disabled, obviously.
I don’t thing the backend is related.
To find out if it is the ripper, use one of those audio editors that
show the waveform: the silence at the start/end would be visible.
I don’t have the 5th to check myself.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
Most players support cross-fading. But there will be a 5 to 10 sec overlap. The last 5/10 sec of first track will transition into 5/10 sec of second track.
On Sun 21 Apr 2013 01:46:03 AM CDT, vazhavandan wrote:
nrickert;2549517 Wrote:
> I currently use Amarok for music playing. However, it is not
> completely satisfactory. So I am asking for suggestions based on
> experience.
>
> Let me illustrate the problem that I have with an example.
>
> I have a CD with Beethoven’s 5th and 6th symphonies. If I play that
> on my audio CD player, it sounds good. However, I can program my
> audio CD player with a playlist so that it only plays the 5th. And
> then it sounds awful.
>
> Presumably, when I play the whole CD, it just streams the complete
> audio. When I build a playlist for the 5th symphony only, the audio
> CD player apparently inserts a gap between each track. And that’s
> what sounds awful. When playing the complete CD (without a
> playlist), the 3rd movement flows smoothly into the 4th movement.
> When using a playlist, the transition between those movements is very
> rough.
>
> So, now back to opensuse and Amarok. I have ripped that CD into
> files. I build a playlist for the 5th symphony. And the transition
> from the 3rd movement to the 4th movement is rough. It isn’t as
> rough as using a playlist directly on the audio CD player, but it is
> still a bit unpleasant.
>
> I’ve described the problem with one piece of music. But I find
> similar problems with other classical music.
>
> I guess I am looking for a player that does not insert a gap between
> music files, or for which the length of the gap can be programmed
> (hopefully to zero).
>
> Any suggestion?
You might rip the tracks onto disk into ogg files and check whether
they make a difference. You should also try “rhythmbox” ,
“banshee”(requires mp3 fluendo from non oss if you need mp3
support),“clementine”,“audacious”(requires audacious plugins) if Amarok
doesn’t make the cut.
Hi
Also if your using pulseaudio, install pulseaudio-equalizer to improve
the sound…? It’s in the packman repository.
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On 2013-04-21 07:36, e1nste1n wrote:
>
> robin_listas;2549536 Wrote:
>> I don’t thing the backend is related.
> It is. VLC doesn’t support gapless playback.
But is that the VLC player, or is it the VLC libraries behind it?
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
On 2013-04-21 04:16, vazhavandan wrote:
>
> nrickert;2549517 Wrote:
>> I guess I am looking for a player that does not insert a gap between
>> music files, or for which the length of the gap can be programmed
>> (hopefully to zero).
>>
> Most players support cross-fading. But there will be a 5 to 10 sec
> overlap. The last 5/10 sec of first track will transition into 5/10 sec
> of second track.
You can not do that on classical music. Anathema! >:-)
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
On 2013-04-21 04:16, nrickert wrote:
>
> robin_listas;2549536 Wrote:
>> Well, it is either a setting in the player or in the ripper, or in both.
> I have mostly use K3b for ripping, and I don’t see a setting for that.
>
> One CD was ripped with Dolphin (because K3b screwed up), and that has
> the same problem.
Better use tools dedicated to ripping. I use “audex”.
But as I said, you can see the sound track with a sound editor, like
audacity, and check what is at the start and end of the track. I’m right
now looking at the end of the first movement of the 9th, and there is
indeed an 8 second silence at the end. I think you could delete it out
with this tool, but you have to work on the original uncompressed wave,
and afterward compress it to mp3 (if that’s what you use). If you use
flac there would be no need.
If the silence is there, amarok is doing it correctly.
> robin_listas;2549536 Wrote:
>> In my amarok, settings, playback, I see a setting for fadeout with
>> adjustable duration. I have it disabled, obviously.
>
> I have that disabled. But I think it only applies at the end of a
> playlist, and not between tracks.
Dunno.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
I’m trying that right now. Thus far, it’s a lot better. I’m currently playing the Diabelli Variations, because that’s where the gap problem is noticable at almost every track transition. Thus far it is pretty good, though not perfect.
I was surprised to find that I had to install banshee. I seem to recall it being part of gnome in the past. I install gnome, even though I mainly use KDE).
Years ago I ripped a selection of classical CDs to ogg using KDE’s ripper, now built into K3b. I play back with Kaffeine and I have nothing but perfect performance.
On 2013-04-20, nrickert <nrickert@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
> I guess I am looking for a player that does not insert a gap between
> music files, or for which the length of the gap can be programmed
> (hopefully to zero).
>
> Any suggestion?
Yes, the gap in between linked movements is VERY irritating. Carlos once recommended to me cmus (listed on Packman’s
repo), which I have been using since because I find it’s the perfect music player. And of course, there are no gaps!
