Partition problems installing over Vista

I’ve just installed openSUSE 11.1 using the 586 iso image on an Intel machine with very little trouble, so I downloaded the 64-bit version for another machine, an AMD Athlon 64 with Vista on a 160GB disk (C: and D: drives).

No luck with that, I’m afraid. I got as far as the “Preparing disks …” stage, which took more than 40 minutes until I got the message “System error code -1012” (at 3% done).

I tried again, this time using the “Expert Partitioner”, which revealed that almost half the disk had disappeared, and the rest was listed as Windows in NTFS partitions described as “Linux Native”. Can’t be both, surely? And no way to get at the missing 62GB.

Back to Vista :(. It booted OK, and I could see that the missing 62GB is “unused”. So I formatted it as NTFS (no choice), and tried to install SUSE again.

This time I got to “System Analysis”, “Searching for Linux Partitions” – should take at most a few milliseconds on a bad day – showing 60% complete for more than 90 minutes, by which time the spinning cursor was frozen and no progress made.

Didn’t know what to do next, so went back to Vista again :’( and started this thread.

Please help.

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One more question:

On the Intel 586 SUSE machine, which runs perfectly well, the disk devices are all listed as /dev/sdx. But I expected them to be /dev/hdx, and that “s” meant SCSI.

That machine has no SCSI drives, so what’s going on?

Nothing special. This has changed a while ago in the kernel. Now all hdd’s are /dev/sdX and CD/DVD drives are /dev/srX

Thank you, Knurpht. I’ve been away from Linux for a few years, but it’s good to be back. (It would be even better to get my Athlon machine running, of course.)

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There should be no reason why it should not install. Have you run the media check from the dvd menu?
I always prepare my discs with Parted magic. And create the partitioning I want.
Have you got a dvd for vista? Just in case!

I’m glad you asked me that. It failed, but the installation carried on regardless. The successful installation on the other machine was also from an iso image which failed the media check.

(It takes my "broad"band all night to download a 4GB image, hence my eagerness to also press on regardless.)

I’ve decided to set up the partitions using the live 64-bit version, which I’ve just downloaded and burnt (it’s only 681MB). Is this a good strategy? I have partitioned disks before, years ago, usually with RedHat or OS/2 Warp (RIP).

I have Vista back-up discs, plus a recovery partition. Yes, I know the recovery partition is not guaranteed to survive either. Can’t say I’d miss Vista in any case – the worst Windoze version yet, and that’s saying something. And I’ve backed up all my data to external hard-disks, twice.

Wish me luck.

Correct me if I am wrong but to my knowledge SATA hard drives are reconiced as sdx drives and IDE (PATA) drives as hdx drives.

I don’t know. The machine is 2002-vintage. All the drives are IDE. I never even heard of SATA until last week, and PATA five minutes ago.

IDE is the same as PATA (PATA being the correct term) but it’s not important we know what you mean.
My laptop HAD Vista. Need I say more. Worthless junk IMO, others may not agree of course.

I can tell you Vista service packs will not install if grub is on the MBR. You can install grub to / (root) making root the partition with the bootable flag.

OK, I booted the SUSE Live CD, and it media-checked OK. lol!

Tried to use it, as planned, to remap the 62GB of free space I had previously formatted under Vista with NTFS. Using the Yast partition tool I split it into Swap (swap), root (ext3), and home (ext3) and then clicked Finish. :slight_smile:

Error -1012, unable to mount HP. HP is the label of the 160GB disk in the HP fs7000 base unit as delivered. And the disk layout is screwed up again, so that the 62GB mentioned above is once again invisible, as it was after I got the original error in post #1. Amazingly, Vista still boots and works – as well as it ever did. :X

I have no idea how to proceed now. :’(

Unless it’s possible to repartition and format the free space with a Linux filesystem from within Vista. Is that possible? If so, is it advisable?

Download and burn Parted Magic: Downloads - Parted Magic

It can do what ever you need.

Or if you want. Boot from the Live CD, open a terminal and type: su
and hit enter a couple of times
Now type: fdisk -l
Hit enter and post result here:

I had a similar problem with Fedora 11 what I recommend our atleast it’s a work around is Install Ubuntu x.xx it seems to have a very destructive partitioner and you should be able to install openSUSE right over it.

>> Have you run the media check from the dvd menu?
> I’m glad you asked me that. It failed,

then do NOT install from it…sure, everything may seem ok…until
you run into that one (or 50) program which is NOT right…

it is SO hard to find and fix the little (or very big) problems which
come from installing broken software!


goldie
Give a hacker a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach man and you feed him for a lifetime.

That sounds like good advice, Goldie, and I have indeed ordered a ready-made DVD from Linuxiso. I can’t keep waiting overnight only to get yet another corrupt downloaded image. Is this a common problem?

Meanwhile I’ll press on with Caf’s partitioning advice, and see what happens.

Thanks to everybody.

Here’s the fdisk output, Caf. Haven’t tried Parted Magic yet.

(sdd1 is an external USB drive,)

Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x1549f232

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1       10498    84317152    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2           10498       18863    67192776+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda3           18863       19457     4777920    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda5           10498       10682     1485981   83  Linux
/dev/sda6           10683       10943     2096451   82  Linux swap / Solaris

Disk /dev/sdd: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x3646cb0a

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdd1   *           1       60801   488384001    b  W95 FAT32

Weyland-Yutani wrote:
> I can’t keep waiting overnight only to get
> yet another corrupt downloaded image. Is this a common problem?

depends on how you are trying to download it! (carrier pigeon, dial up
modem, broadband, ftp, hhtp, torrent, etc)

and, on what kind of equipment you are using to try–like, some
versions of M$ software find it totally impossible to download any
file over a certain size and, i think i read somewhere that trying to
download to a FAT file system might be a problem (sorry, i don’t know
the max size or which programs/file systems work correctly or
not…i’ve not used M$ in so long i don’t have a clue…but, i’ve
heard others here strongly advise to use the torrent which
automatically will self correct the download until it is perfect)

if you use the forums advanced search function i’m sure you can find
sufficient instructions on how to download a good copy with (even) Vista…

have you read: http://tinyurl.com/6jwtg9


goldie
Note: Accuracy, completeness, legality, or usefulness of this posting
may be illusive.

I ate the pigeon for lunch last week, with some fava beans and a nice Gueuze Lambiek.

Wired router – ADSL "broad"band (in rural Wales) – http – Firefox with DownThemAll extension on both platforms (Vista and SUSE).

I’ve been using Firefox and DoThAll for years, and never had any problems with downloaded software or any other files before, on Vista and XP. But I guess 4+GB is the biggest download I’ve ever attempted in one chunk.

I’ll take a look at the torrent method, and look at the docs you mentioned. Live and learn. Thanks.

From what you have already said. I’m fairly certain sda3 is part of your creation.
Let me explain: sda2 is an extended partition, it just acts as a container for sda5 and sda6
What you need to do is delete sda2,3,5,6. (Actually you will need to delete 6, then 5, then 3, then 2
Then all the space that leaves create one big extended partition. Then inside the new sda2 - create 3 logical partitions
swap 2GB
/ (root) 20GB
/home (all the remaining space)

In this post I have some partitioning links with video to help: HowTo Compilation - openSUSE Forums

All the partitioning can actually be done from with the suse installer or use parted magic. It just a matter of choice.

> I’ll take a look at the torrent method, and look at the docs you
> mentioned. Live and learn. Thanks.

welcome, there is an option on the download page (at least here there
is, see http://software.opensuse.org/ HEY, click on the Help link in
the 3. block) to download via torrent…i just click that and some
(default) torrent app pops up and i leave it to do its thing (part of
which is to check EVERY chunk until each is 100% correct…THEN it
says it is finished)…

one thing you might be plagued with (with the hhtp method) is the
default address for repos is actually some kind of fancy thing that
gets redirected to a mirror somewhere…and, sometimes you get
directed to a mirror which is dog slow or just quits after a while…

you can look here: http://mirrors.opensuse.org/list/all.html
and pick a direct address to Warwick, Oxford or Kent
Universities…after a while you should learn which is fastest and
most reliable…


goldie
Give a hacker a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach man and you feed him for a lifetime.

Note: Accuracy, completeness, legality, or usefulness of this posting
may be illusive.

You’re right, Caf. In the first place I tried to install SUSE and let the installation shrink the Vista partition. Something went wrong after that, so I went back to Vista and set up and formatted a partition structure with Vista Disk Management, and then booted up the SUSE iso disc. That didn’t work either.

Now that I’ve taken your advice and removed my partition structure on Vista, so that the space was just empty and unformatted, the 64-bit installation builds its own structure and gets a lot further, but still fails because of corrupt application files. No surprise, I guess, because the media check had failed.

So I tried installing the 586 image instead, and that worked fine (though that also failed the media check). I’ll replace it with the 64-bit version when I get the mail-order disc, which should be today or tomorrow.

So I’m almost there. Thanks again.

Next question: I gather that Reiser is the up-and-coming file-system for Linux, but most people seem to stick to ext3 or ext2. Is that because Herr Reiser is in gaol, or because the FS is not good enough yet?