I wonder if a paid email service provider is more secure or intrusive
than Google. (meaning commercial interest like adds and things)
Does anyone have experience with that and can educate me about that?
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On 2012-02-25 05:52, JoergJaeger wrote:
> I wonder if a paid email service provider is more secure or intrusive than
> Google. (meaning commercial interest like adds and things)
> Does anyone have experience with that and can educate me about that?
Depends. You get what you pay. I have one such provider, paid by a
professional organization. It is basic, there is no imap server, only pop3,
no spam filtering (or I don’t know about it). But I never see a post from
them, either, so not intrusive.
But I don’t see posts from gmail, so they are not intrusive either. Perhaps
they are via web.
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On 2/25/2012 4:13 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2012-02-25 05:52, JoergJaeger wrote:
>> I wonder if a paid email service provider is more secure or intrusive than
>> Google. (meaning commercial interest like adds and things)
>> Does anyone have experience with that and can educate me about that?
>
> Depends. You get what you pay. I have one such provider, paid by a
> professional organization. It is basic, there is no imap server, only pop3,
> no spam filtering (or I don’t know about it). But I never see a post from
> them, either, so not intrusive.
>
> But I don’t see posts from gmail, so they are not intrusive either. Perhaps
> they are via web.
>
Maybe i should frame it differently. Gmail is not truly free since you
pay with your personal data. You don’t hand over money but you give your
information to advertising companies.
Now i thought that if i pay an email service i may can avoid to
give my personal information for advertisers.
Not sure if i am right on that. So thats why i was looking for some
information about this.
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I use the email service (I choose to use pop3) provided by my ISP. There is also a webmail interface if I need to access the service via a browser. All the ISPs that I have ever used provide such a service. The service is part of the subscription. I have never seen ads and as far as I know my account has never been scanned for e-mail address info or other marketing info. Often the available storage is less than available with google but if you are using pop3 this is not a problem. I have a gmail account for things that may generate a lot of spam
Am 25.02.2012 22:56, schrieb vindevienne:
>
> I use the email service (I choose to use pop3) provided by my ISP. There
> is also a webmail interface if I need to access the service via a
> browser. All the ISPs that I have ever used provide such a service. The
> service is part of the subscription. I have never seen ads and as far as
> I know my account has never been scanned for e-mail address info or
> other marketing info. Often the available storage is less than available
> with google but if you are using pop3 this is not a problem. I have a
> gmail account for things that may generate a lot of spam
>
>
Same here, I use the email service from my ISP which I have to pay
anyway and it also has some web interface available (which I never use),
since I changed my ISP a few years ago and the previous one also
provided the same service (mail + webmail interface) I wonder if there
are ISPs at all where you do not get that bundled.
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Am 25.02.2012 23:08, schrieb Martin Helm:
> I wonder if there
> are ISPs at all where you do not get that bundled.
>
I have to add to that sentence “for private accounts”, which is how I
understood the question. I know that at work we have different providers
for internet and email, but this are business accounts for companies not
individuals.
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On 2012-02-25 22:34, JoergJaeger wrote:
>
> Maybe i should frame it differently. Gmail is not truly free since you pay
> with your personal data. You don’t hand over money but you give your
> information to advertising companies.
> Now i thought that if i pay an email service i may can avoid to
> give my personal information for advertisers.
> Not sure if i am right on that. So thats why i was looking for some
> information about this.
I don’t get any commercial or otherwise posts that I can adscribe to me
using gmail. I have two accounts with them, and with one of them I haven’t
got any posts but my private posts. Gmail doesn’t send me anything. On the
other account I get the typical spam that is provoked by my email address
being posted in the archives of the openSUSE and others mail lists.
I only see commercials related to my posts when I see my posts via the web
interface, machine generated. I don’t think they give information about “my
private me” to any other organization, though, because in that case I would
get commercials from them in my post, and I don’t. They give statistical
data as they said they would do.
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On 2/25/2012 2:38 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2012-02-25 22:34, JoergJaeger wrote:
>>
>> Maybe i should frame it differently. Gmail is not truly free since you pay
>> with your personal data. You don’t hand over money but you give your
>> information to advertising companies.
>> Now i thought that if i pay an email service i may can avoid to
>> give my personal information for advertisers.
>> Not sure if i am right on that. So thats why i was looking for some
>> information about this.
>
> I don’t get any commercial or otherwise posts that I can adscribe to me
> using gmail. I have two accounts with them, and with one of them I haven’t
> got any posts but my private posts. Gmail doesn’t send me anything. On the
> other account I get the typical spam that is provoked by my email address
> being posted in the archives of the openSUSE and others mail lists.
>
> I only see commercials related to my posts when I see my posts via the web
> interface, machine generated. I don’t think they give information about “my
> private me” to any other organization, though, because in that case I would
> get commercials from them in my post, and I don’t. They give statistical
> data as they said they would do.
>
aeh… i think my question was not well explained.
You know if you have (as an example) a gmail account. Its free, but
every email is scanned and the data (or patterns) are used to get you
the right advertisement on the internet.
I did not mean that you get in your email any adds.
So my sole question was if there is a difference how you email is
threaded between a ‘free’ provider or a commercial one where you pay for
the service.
If there was a confusion i apologize for that.
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On 2012-02-26 00:38, JoergJaeger wrote:
> aeh… i think my question was not well explained.
>
> You know if you have (as an example) a gmail account. Its free, but every
> email is scanned and the data (or patterns) are used to get you the right
> advertisement on the internet.
Ok, but what advertisement can I get? Only if I browse, and they can not
match my email to my browsing unless I’m logged into gmail at that time,
and I’m not.
As far as I know, this only happens if you access web mail.
> I did not mean that you get in your email any adds.
> So my sole question was if there is a difference how you email is threaded
> between a ‘free’ provider or a commercial one where you pay for the service.
Probably a paid provider doesn’t do any kind of tracking.
A free, or rather, “gratis” provider has to get back something somehow.
Gmail has published what they do, so they are honest - I think, I might be
mistaken. I will not send my bank account data via them! 
I have two types of those “paid” providers. One is paid but not directly by
me, but by an association I belong to. It doesn’t have many “features”, it
doesn’t even have imap nor antispam measures.
Another kind I get from my ISP. It has imap and enough storage. However, it
fails more than gmail. Another problem is that if I change provider I lose
that email address.
So for me gmail is a backup system.
> If there was a confusion i apologize for that.
No problem
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Am 26.02.2012 04:18, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> Another kind I get from my ISP. It has imap and enough storage. However, it
> fails more than gmail. Another problem is that if I change provider I lose
> that email address.
In my contract the ISP gave me one domain name of my choice for free
which I can also use (and do use) for emails, this domain name can be
moved when I change the provider so it will not lead to a loss of the
email addresses we have at home (and the second domain I own costs 1
Euro/month, not too expensive). You could check if something like that
is contained in your contract also, I find this convenient, you never
know if you change some day the ISP.
But if it fails too often as you say it is probably not of interest.
I checked now the gmail address I have (and never use) which I created
for some google account and youtube several years ago and it also does
not contain any spam (not from google, not from youtube not from
anywhere else). It contains only the welcome mail and some confirmations
for the accounts several years ago.
It is true that google shows me advertisements which are somehow related
to what I already visited or searched for while browsing through google
search when I am logged in, but nobody forces me to do that.
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In my experience when you terminate a contract with an ISP they kill your adsl access and things like account management. They do not remove your e-mail accounts. As long as you keep your mail box from filling you can continue to at least receive e-mail from the account. SMTP outbound mail has to go via your current ISP as relay is normally banned. You can normally lie about where the mail came from. In general the sending e-mail address in the SMTP header need not have any relationship to the real sending account. For advertising etc. frequently the sending domain does not belong to the company that the e-mail relates to. Just check who owns the numeric IP address and who claims to have sent the e-mail.
I believe that ISP e-mail accounts are less likely to be attacked than the big ‘free’ systems. However I have seen a phishing attempt on the ID & passwords for 1 French ISP.
Read the terms and the privacy policy for the service. This should make it clear what information is used by the host and what it’s used for.
Do you mean as in end user experience? If so no there is no difference there. For me here in the US my ISP is Comcast.
Or do you mean does some other outfit of some type look at it before you get it for some purpose nefarious or otherwise?
In emails to me using that Comcast account they go through in the usual internet way of bouncing between servers, without being scanned(unless the USDHS is watching). My Gmail account on the other hand is in your words scanned so they “can tailor it to meet my needs.”
So the difference is there but its very subtle.
I have used GoDaddy email services. Works just like any other corporate mail
system to be honest, but they have extra fees for things like IMAP access so
you have to buy their ‘deluxe’ offering. Still pretty affordable for what
it is.
On 2/26/2012 10:26 PM, Sagemta wrote:
>
> JoergJaeger;2443533 Wrote:
>> On 2/25/2012 2:38 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2012-02-25 22:34, JoergJaeger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Maybe i should frame it differently. Gmail is not truly free since
>> you pay
>>>> with your personal data. You don’t hand over money but you give your
>>>> information to advertising companies.
>>>> Now i thought that if i pay an email service i may can avoid to
>>>> give my personal information for advertisers.
>>>> Not sure if i am right on that. So thats why i was looking for some
>>>> information about this.
>>>
>>> I don’t get any commercial or otherwise posts that I can adscribe to
>> me
>>> using gmail. I have two accounts with them, and with one of them I
>> haven’t
>>> got any posts but my private posts. Gmail doesn’t send me anything.
>> On the
>>> other account I get the typical spam that is provoked by my email
>> address
>>> being posted in the archives of the openSUSE and others mail lists.
>>>
>>> I only see commercials related to my posts when I see my posts via
>> the web
>>> interface, machine generated. I don’t think they give information
>> about “my
>>> private me” to any other organization, though, because in that case I
>> would
>>> get commercials from them in my post, and I don’t. They give
>> statistical
>>> data as they said they would do.
>>>
>>
>> aeh… i think my question was not well explained.
>>
>> You know if you have (as an example) a gmail account. Its free, but
>> every email is scanned and the data (or patterns) are used to get you
>> the right advertisement on the internet.
>> I did not mean that you get in your email any adds.
>> So my sole question was if there is a difference how you email is
>> threaded between a ‘free’ provider or a commercial one where you pay
>> for
>> the service.
>>
>> If there was a confusion i apologize for that.
>>
>>
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>
> Do you mean as in end user experience? If so no there is no difference
> there. For me here in the US my ISP is Comcast.
> Or do you mean does some other outfit of some type look at it before
> you get it for some purpose nefarious or otherwise?
> In emails to me using that Comcast account they go through in the usual
> internet way of bouncing between servers, without being scanned(unless
> the USDHS is watching). My Gmail account on the other hand is in your
> words scanned so they “can tailor it to meet my needs.”
> So the difference is there but its very subtle.
>
>
Well i think i was balancing between commercialized emailing like google
& co and a very private email account which i have to pay for.
I am not saying that Google is bad since others do the same to a
different extent.
I do like the service i am getting from google with imap. A pretty need
feature.
At the same time i wonder if its desirable to give google or any other
company my emails as a base for profit.
That was in a sense what i was trying to assemble more or less.
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On 2012-02-26 23:26, vindevienne wrote:
> SMTP outbound
> mail has to go via your current ISP as relay is normally banned. You can
> normally lie about where the mail came from. In general the sending
> e-mail address in the SMTP header need not have any relationship to the
> real sending account.
Where I live, Spain, none of the ISPs I have tried accept to send an email
with a From address that is not theirs. I have to use gmail for that.
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On 2/27/2012 3:23 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2012-02-26 23:26, vindevienne wrote:
>
>> SMTP outbound
>> mail has to go via your current ISP as relay is normally banned. You can
>> normally lie about where the mail came from. In general the sending
>> e-mail address in the SMTP header need not have any relationship to the
>> real sending account.
>
> Where I live, Spain, none of the ISPs I have tried accept to send an email
> with a From address that is not theirs. I have to use gmail for that.
>
Its here the same, but it does work with password and secure port. A
simple send will not work.
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On 2012-02-28 00:32, JoergJaeger wrote:
>> Where I live, Spain, none of the ISPs I have tried accept to send an email
>> with a From address that is not theirs. I have to use gmail for that.
>>
>
> Its here the same, but it does work with password and secure port. A simple
> send will not work.
Not even then. I tried…
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:32:08 +0000, JoergJaeger wrote:
> On 2/27/2012 3:23 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2012-02-26 23:26, vindevienne wrote:
>>
>>> SMTP outbound mail has to go via your current ISP as relay is normally
>>> banned. You can normally lie about where the mail came from. In
>>> general the sending e-mail address in the SMTP header need not have
>>> any relationship to the real sending account.
>>
>> Where I live, Spain, none of the ISPs I have tried accept to send an
>> email with a From address that is not theirs. I have to use gmail for
>> that.
>>
>>
> Its here the same, but it does work with password and secure port. A
> simple send will not work.
Do you mean through the proper SMTP server - ie, if you’re sending from
user@host123.com, if you connect to the secure SMTP port on the mail
server at host123.com with authentication then it sends?
For some people, that can work - if the outbound SMTP connection isn’t
blocked. My ISP blocks port 25 (haven’t had a remote SMTP server that
was over the SSL equivalent port), so I can only send outbound SMTP
through their server using an authenticated cleartext connection.
But my ISP allows me to spoof the from: header in that instance.
Jim
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On 2/27/2012 5:30 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:32:08 +0000, JoergJaeger wrote:
>
>> On 2/27/2012 3:23 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2012-02-26 23:26, vindevienne wrote:
>>>
>>>> SMTP outbound mail has to go via your current ISP as relay is normally
>>>> banned. You can normally lie about where the mail came from. In
>>>> general the sending e-mail address in the SMTP header need not have
>>>> any relationship to the real sending account.
>>>
>>> Where I live, Spain, none of the ISPs I have tried accept to send an
>>> email with a From address that is not theirs. I have to use gmail for
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>> Its here the same, but it does work with password and secure port. A
>> simple send will not work.
>
> Do you mean through the proper SMTP server - ie, if you’re sending from
> user@host123.com, if you connect to the secure SMTP port on the mail
> server at host123.com with authentication then it sends?
>
> For some people, that can work - if the outbound SMTP connection isn’t
> blocked. My ISP blocks port 25 (haven’t had a remote SMTP server that
> was over the SSL equivalent port), so I can only send outbound SMTP
> through their server using an authenticated cleartext connection.
>
> But my ISP allows me to spoof the from: header in that instance.
>
> Jim
>
Sounds like ATT.
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