The Packman website and repositories are going to be broken and in the works for several days (possibly up to a week) starting tonight at 20:00 CET, during which the following services will not be available, or only sporadically:
The reason is that we are performing a major migration of our services to
- the latest version of the openSUSE Build Service (we were still using an old version)
- a new layout of our repositories, to enable a more fine-grained control over what parts of Packman should be used
For further details, please read:
I will announce our progress on my blog (which is also aggregated on Planet openSUSE) and will obviously post another announcement here once our migration is complete.
In advance, sorry for the inconvenience, and thank you for your understanding. We are convinced that our move will not only provide us with a better infrastructure, but also improve your experience with Packman and openSUSE.
I stuck this Pascal. We need to keep it up front for folks to see.
Thanks for the info and hard work you do.
Glad to know in advance! Thanks
Not to mention that the new layout will simplify things for everyone, including newbies and (relatively) simple folk like me. Packman rules!
Cheers Pascal, good luck with the migration.
Thanks for letting us know
Good luck with the migrtaion. ;-D
This mail on the Packman mailing list seems to be interesting to me:
[packman] Packman service interruption and migration](http://lists.links2linux.de/pipermail/packman/2011-February/009431.html)
…]no, if the new repos have most of our packages we link /suse/11.3 to
/suse/openSUSE_11.3 on our ftp server, so nobody have to change the URL.
Thanks for the heads up, but in the future could we have a few days warning rather than a few hours? I was just about to do a long planned reload of two PCs, and only just noticed this post out of the corner of my eye literally as I was opening the drive to put the DVD in the first one. I’ll happily hold off now 'til after you’re finished, but I shudder to think what my mood would have been had I not known to wait.
I agree. Thanks for the alert, but a few hours on a Sunday is hardly suitable notice of a potential week of repo breakage/outage, whether or not there is a skeleton alternative.
True, sorry about that. It’s just that it’s not that easy to get all the right people together at the same time, and as we did and were ready to proceed, we decided to go for it on short notice.
Note that the “service interruption” is primarily that the packages in the old repositories (e.g. /suse/11.3/) are not updated at the time being. The new repositories still have a distinct URL (e.g. /suse/openSUSE_11.3/), so you can choose to either stick with the old ones until we switch, or already go with the new ones, which already have quite a fair amount of packages now.
As was quoted on the thread, above, once we believe our new repositories are “full enough” to provide all the “important” packages, we will delete the old ones and replace them with symbolic links to the new ones. That will be when the “service interruption” might be felt most, in case you’re using a package we haven’t migrated yet – if/when that happens, please just poke us on IRC or on our mailing-list
Thank you very much for clarifying and taking the time to respond to my (somewhat hard-nosed) comment about the notice of outage, which I hope reflected the importance and benefit we all get from a Packman service that enables us on openSUSE to enjoy the advances in multimedia technology.
Any time frame for when the xml file YAST uses to add “community” repos with reflect the change in the Packman organization? I deleted my old packman repo and went to add the new ones. Only one repo was offered. I am afraid that it is perhaps broken by the change.
Any time frame for when the xml file YAST uses to add “community” repos with reflect the change in the Packman organization?
That file will not be changed until such time that the whole process of change at Packman is complete. Manual intervention is currently the best policy.
I think doing nothing for us YAST users might be best in that case.
On Sunday 27 Feb 2011 05:36, FlameBait scribbled:
> caf4926;2295806 Wrote:
>> That file will not be changed until such time that the whole process of
>> change at Packman is complete. Manual intervention is currently the best
> I think doing nothing for us YAST users might be best in that case.
For Packman, I have almost always found manual intervention to be the best
option as I can pick a mirror that is much faster than the default. Having
said that, http://packman.inode.at/suse/Factory/Essentials/ has been fast -
Graham Davis, Bracknell, UK.
If you added the “new one” through YaST, then you’re still using the old one
We just discussed this on #packman and decided to make the switch to the new repos on Wednesday. I will properly announce it tonight, that’ll leave a few days to prepare for disaster
When we’ll do the switch on the new repositories, I will also change the configuration in YaST.
Well, the only issue that might affect users is that packages could be missing. There are definitely packages missing in the new repos, but what 99% of people use is there already. When people miss something, they need to tell us, as it’s also a way for us to clean out old cruft.
But, as said, I’ll announce all that tonight, including here on the forums (in the announcements section).
Will there be a definition or description of the new repositories like the following on a (separate) wiki page or on http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#Packman ? I think that would be good for the users, wound it not?
Pascal Bleser: Packman service interruption and migration (/dev/loki; 2011/02/20)
We came up with a solution to this, as more and more people requested having split repositories, in order to control whatthey want to use from Packman:
* we will have four repositories instead of one: Essentials, Multimedia, Games and Extras
* Essentials will be the bare minimum to get your multimedia experience on openSUSE going (libraries, MPlayer, vlc, ffmpeg, ...)
* Multimedia will contain additional applications that are not available for openSUSE or only in a crippled build, such as avidemux, etc...
* Games are, well, games, although we will try to move most of what may be hosted on build.opensuse.org to the games project there
* Extras is all the rest
On 03/02/2011 09:36 AM, caf4926 wrote:
> For those with a working install, I suggest you just leave well alone
> until things settle down, which may be some time…
i disabled packman when i saw the initial announcement…when will we
know it is once again safe to enable packman and NOT be crippled with
unstable and/or “Surprise!” software?
[NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.0.11, nVidia
173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:48:23 +0530, DenverD
> On 03/02/2011 09:36 AM, caf4926 wrote:
>> For those with a working install, I suggest you just leave well alone
>> until things settle down, which may be some time…
> i disabled packman when i saw the initial announcement…when will we
> know it is once again safe to enable packman and NOT be crippled with
> unstable and/or “Surprise!” software?
i had packman enabled all the time, and there wasn’t any surprise.
packages that weren’t / aren’t in the repos yet just won’t update, but
stay at their previous (working) versions.