Opera upgrades

simon37 · May 18, 2011, 11:45am

Hi,

It’s been a while since Opera was upgraded to version 11.10 (now 11.11), still in the repository (NonFree) you can only find the 11.01 version. I know few people use it but I like it and it’s better to have it in the repos than having to check Opera web regularly (better for Opera users). I hope there’s something that can be done there. Thanks!

DenverD · May 18, 2011, 1:30pm

On 05/18/2011 12:06 PM, simon37 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> It’s been a while since Opera was upgraded to version 11.10 (now
> 11.11), still in the repository (NonFree) you can only find the 11.01
> version. I know few people use it but I like it and it’s better to have
> it in the repos than having to check Opera web regularly (better for
> Opera users). I hope there’s something that can be done there. Thanks!

you don’t say, but i assume you are running openSUSE 11.4, correct?

if so, it was born with Opera 11.01, and the way openSUSE works is it
will reach its end of life with 11.01 still the only version in any of
the normal repos (oss, non-oss, update or packman)…

because, it is not a goal of this distro to always have the most recent
version of everything on earth in the normal repos…

not sure, but i guess there are some other distros who strive to
always have the very latest of everything–i think they call those
"rolling release!..but, not openSUSE, and never has been…

yes, sometimes newer versions are pushed though the upgrade repo but
those are mostly for ‘earth shaking’ security or horrible bugs squashed…

so, if it is your goal to always have the latest Opera, you need to
watch the Opera site…and, probably compile/install from source…or,
seek a distro which more nearly matches your bleeding edge
‘needs’…may i ask what new feature the latest Opera has that you
need, really need?

or, you might want to consider Tumbleweed, the openSUSE ‘rolling
release’…but, that takes a person willing to invest more time in
trouble resolution than i want to get involved in–good luck.

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martin_helm · May 18, 2011, 1:37pm

Look here
http://www.opera.com/browser/download/
choose openSUSE and download/install the rpm.

DenverD gave you already a comprehensive explanation that openSUSE does not
try to be bleeding edge, but has a slightly diffrent philosophy.

reo_sam · May 21, 2011, 3:22pm

It has been upgraded to 11.11 now. So you can go ahead and upgrade it from the non-OSS repo.

@ DenverD

Re: if so, it was born with Opera 11.01, and the way openSUSE works is it
will reach its end of life with 11.01 still the only version in any of
the normal repos (oss, non-oss, update or packman)…

You are absolutely wrong in that part.
openSUSE mostly strives to be providing security updates as well as essential patches to existing packages. It has been and will do.

Web-browsers are an essential part of today’s systems, and keeping them uptodate is a must-have. By your logic, openSUSE 11.4 should “always” have contained Firefox 4.0beta, which now has been updated to 4.0.1 (officially). There is no need to suggest to use another distro.

DenverD · May 21, 2011, 4:09pm

On 05/21/2011 03:36 PM, reo sam wrote:

> You are absolutely wrong in that part.

i’m not sure you know what you are talking about.

> openSUSE mostly strives to be providing security updates as well as
> essential patches to existing packages. It has been and will do.

Opera versions 10.10 and .11 were small changes and would have never
made it into the normal openSUSE OSS, non-OSS or update repos…ever.

on the other hand, .12 is a patched/security update and therefore it was
placed into the update repo where it is pushed to the user…had ANY
of the small changes in .02 to .11 been anything of consequence they too
would have been pushed…

on the third hand, at some point a newer version of Opera will show up
in factory (openSUSE 12.1 beta) or Tumbleweed, maybe…

your turn!

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reo_sam · May 21, 2011, 5:40pm

Presently, I am using opera 11.11 from the official update repo of 11.4, updated using deltarpm (opera-11.01_11.11-3.1_1.2.1.i586.delta.rpm) dated 19th May.

repo> Index of /update/11.4

opera 11.11 is a major security upgrade which is why this was (probably) done rapidly.
ref: Opera 11.11 closes a critical hole - The H Security: News and Features

also please see the changelog of opera. Opera: Opera version history
according to that, 11.10 was another release (with newer features), but 11.11 was a security release.

As i understand openSUSE will continue to provide security updates in the official repos to continue providing a stable and secure OS.
For feature upgrades, etc, one can always go for unofficial repos, tumbleweed, etc.

I have been a newcomer in openSUSE and have been using it regularly since last few months. I can be wrong in many things, if so please point out those with references.

DenverD · May 22, 2011, 1:41pm

On 05/21/2011 06:06 PM, reo sam wrote:
>
> Presently, I am using opera 11.11 from the official update repo of 11.4,
> updated using deltarpm (opera-11.01_11.11-3.1_1.2.1.i586.delta.rpm)
> dated 19th May.
>
> repo> ‘Index of /update/11.4’
> (http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.4/)
>
> opera 11.11 is a major security upgrade which is why this was
> (probably) done rapidly.
> ref: ‘Opera 11.11 closes a critical hole - The H Security: News and
> Features’ (http://tinyurl.com/6bzyxt5)
>
> also please see the changelog of opera. ‘Opera: Opera version history’
> (http://www.opera.com/docs/history/)
> according to that, 11.10 was another release (with newer features), but
> 11.11 was a security release.
>
> As i understand openSUSE will continue to provide security updates in
> the official repos to continue providing a stable and secure OS.
> For feature upgrades, etc, one can always go for unofficial repos,
> tumbleweed, etc.
>
> I have been a newcomer in openSUSE and have been using it regularly
> since last few months. I can be wrong in many things, if so please point
> out those with references.

you and i are saying the almost the same thing: security fixes for
Opera (and all other applications) go into the update repo…but,
non-security releases do not…

generally an openSUSE version will hit end of life with the same
version of software it was born with…there are some exceptions:

security patches/updates are passed though the update repo as as
quickly as they can be processed…those may or may not result in an
application’s version upgrade…if not, then the same version is
retained, but patched…
major, critical bug fixes that appreciable affect the usability are
passed via the update repo as quickly as the limited number of hands can
do that…
version upgrades are normally not passed though update, oss or
non-oss repos but will be in a future release, first appearing in the
Factory repo and in milestone and release candidates…
very rarely a new version of openSUSE is released with the latest but
still beta version of some software that is expect to very soon hit
General Availability…when the non-Beta version is released it will be
pushed through the update repo…
even more rarely events caused a major shakeup (like OpenOffice being
yanked around by Oracle) and new versions/applications are pushed though
update (as was Libre Office)…

those norms are unlike some other Linux distributions which try to
always pass through the latest released version (security forced or not)
as soon after their release as possible…

any of that make sense?

now, there is also a new project to provide the new applications to
users once they SWITCH from a numbered openSUSE version to
Tumbleweed…in that case, the new versions flow though the Tumbleweed
repos–but, you are nolonger* running openSUSE 11.4…

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martin_helm · May 22, 2011, 2:54pm

DenverD wrote:
> now, there is also a new project to provide the new applications to
> users once they SWITCH from a numbered openSUSE version to
> Tumbleweed…in that case, the new versions flow though the Tumbleweed
> repos–but, you are nolonger* running openSUSE 11.4…
>
For people slightly more conservative than those who take the adventure of a
rolling release (tumbleweed) there is of course still the possibility to
have very new software but not to touch too much the core system by adding
the appropriate community repositories for e.g. mozilla, mono, office or kde
to have the newer versions available.
If you use them of course care is needed to look at possible conflicts
between the added repositories. My own experience with 11.3 and the
community repos is so far very good and I run for example FF4 and KDE 4.6.3
on 11.3 without problems (I am almost sure the same applies to 11.4 but I
did not enable that repos in 11.4 until now).
This is of course no longer a standard install and the updated applications
are now updated by the community repositories and no longer by the update
repository.