opensuse must not copy the ms windows idium

Been around the opensuse since 11.1 and while I like and use it as my main OS a number of factors rate a disappointment.

with the stuff from redmund you know what you are getting. Basically an OS that may or may not work with your hardware, full of buggs that never get really fixed (gg in bugs is intentional), a claim that the software is a complete finished piece of work but true to the nature of software, is never finished
and requires skads of updates and patches as soon as it is released.

In contrast, opensuse has always to my knowledge stated it is a work in progress which will need updates and patches as things progress. Where it starts to diminish is the move away from well documented easy to find instructions that prior releases had, dropping of 32 bit libraries which you must now search for as Leap 15.0 is 64 bit only, taking away the test live before you install option now that you are leap. Use of EFI has been replaced by UEFI but live test system via Gecko-Linux can work EFI or UEFI but the install is EFI only. Persistant storage of Gecko-Linux requires a work around
to change the btrfs system to ext4 format once persistent storage is set.

As I said earlier, Redmund dos then windows took away bootable floppies with dos OS killed off certain dos useful programs too as they moved to windows which despite their claims still rests on a dos subsystem. Removed most of the included help subsystem so people can’t try to fix things, dropped support for 32 bit machines, dropped support for 32 bit applications, and the list goes on.

My rant is because I need a live system to fix a broken system thousands of miles away run by someone who lacks the skill to fix things and where I could fix things in the past with opensuse now I can’t. The replacement Gecko-linux based on opensuse still is not near the system of it’s predecessor.

I usually avoid soapbox and ranting, but anyway…

You mention GeckLinux a few times here, but do you realise that you can install openSUSE Leap as a live distro as well?

I’m also not sure what you think is lacking with openSUSE documentation, but you’re always welcome to participate and add to it where needed…

 To get in touch with the documentation team:   

Just a few quick comments.

On the dropping of 32-bit support: this is happening for many distros. It’s a reaction to marketplace changes – new computers are 64-bit, and have been for a while. Tumbleweed is still available for 32-bit. And if you follow the factory mailing list, you will see that it is increasingly difficult, as some software lacks upstream support for 32-bit. What it amounts to, is that if you really want the Leap series to be available as 32-bit, then you need to volunteer to provide the support and maintenance.

On EFI vs. UEFI. Honestly, use either term and most people will understand what you are saying. The term “UEFI” is what is used in recent specifications, but people often abbreviate.

On GeckoLinux – based on openSUSE, but managed elsewhere. We can’t do much about it. Personally, I do appreciate the effort of the GeckoLinux maintainer. However, as deano-ferrari mentioned, somebody is now preparing live openSUSE media for Leap 15.0. And the live media are being kept reasonably up-to-date.

Beyond that, what happens with openSUSE depends on what upstream developers provide. And it also depends on the openSUSE users who volunteer to maintain packages for the distro.

What deano_ferrari and nrickert say :).
Sadly the Gecko project seems to be pretty dead, apart from some activity in their “forums”. The gitgub project says Latest commit 0f6613f on 16 Jun 2018.
In case of a Tumbleweed download this means f.e. that the first dup will replace all packages. All.
And in case of Leap, a huge update after the installer ( which is Calamaris IIRC ) has done it’s job.
Must say though, AFAIK it had quite some users at some time, and we did not see many of them in the forums.
Since this is soapbox: I think projects like this are doomed to die. Simply for the reason it’s a one man project.

Is the remote repair to be executed via a telephone conversation or, remote access to the system?

  • If remote access, is there access to a VT or, only to a GUI session?

[HR][/HR]IBM and DEC implemented remote hardware support with specialised consoles which allowed remote access to the system’s hardware console – in the early 1980’s – via dial-up modems – IBM SNA, Arpanet and DECnet were around but, not public – Internet was in it’s very early phase as an inter-University network …

  • DEC had autodialler systems which allowed the support staff to dial the customer’s machine – only those systems with the appropriate maintenance contract could be accessed by the 24 X 7 support teams …
  • And, the DEC support staff could only access the customer’s machine when, the customer physically enabled the remote access – by means of a (physical) key …
  • And, despite all that, if the system was really dead, Field Service had to visit the customer’s site – 24 X 7 – and, often, the repair was checked by the remote support centre …

Please do not ask, how much the customers were paying for this level of service …

am familiar with DEC if you are reffering to (Digital Equipment Corporation) of the 1970’s and how much support costs especially on time share systems. As for remote access it has become mute issue. She wouldn’t allow remotes pc - to - pc access only tell her over phone what to do and after hours on that we determined it wasn’t linux or app issue her motherboard in laptop was dying, hard disk was dying too, her previous laptop had a dead hard drive, and upon putting the hard drive from one system into another confirmed it is dead and all info gone.

She decided to dump linux and buy windows 10 machine which sadly lived long enough to write 1 letter then it too died on next boot. She remembered I had told her she can boot any modern PC with a Linux flash live system so she used opensuse 15.0 Live (thanks for letting me know it exists) to boot new machine and wipe partitions so she could restore windows 10 into operation which promptly crashes her again. She has given up on Pc’s for ever.

What make and model machine? If it’s HP, power on and hold down the F11 key to restore… If it’s a Lenovo you can get online and they send a free USB key with WinX to restore. Other manufactures do the same, DELL may still do it.

You can do a fresh install with the standard WinX free MS download and get it onto USB (Rufus…) my preferred method, then can get rid of all the carp-ware. I would surmise the system has something like Norton’s or McAffe running in the background, then there is Cortana to get rid of… Once WinX installer is running, just select a custom install and wipe all the partitions and let the install re-do it all.

Update: after I got her going with the linux usd 15.0 and she got windows installed it worked for another 10 days she says when it crashed again. She told me she had had enough of crappy pc’s and will go back to writing by hand and using a typewriter. Now she says she took the machine back to store and they said her lenova desktop pc has had many such issues and gave her a new machine and a usb recovery flash drive as well.

Yes she got mcafee suite with the pc and it runs real slow for some reason. Takes almost 20 minutes before it can find the internet!! I had her shut down mcafee and internet and test system speed visually without it and boot up was under 3 seconds compare to 1 minute. If she opens a folder it is seconds instead of minutes. Turn mcafee back on and the whole system slows to a crawl. Can’t beleave an 8core 32GB ram machine can run as slow as an old .5GB pentium 4!!

The only thing I’ve done with McAfee since Microsoft Security Essentials was announced is uninstall it, and same for Norton AV. Both are very effective in creating slugs out of decently performing installations. It’s nice to not have to wait on or even think about those while running openSUSE, which is far and away most of the time. In Windows I spend 2-3 times more time getting it to update itself than everything else combined. :stuck_out_tongue:

If you still think DOS or for that matter DOS support exists anywhere natively in a fully updated and supported MSWindows, you’ll need to update your personal understanding how things work. MS and Linux encounter the same issues trying to provide backwards support for 16bit. I also haven’t found killing off 16bit real mode support has been critical, only an inconvenience when I need direct hardware access (which isn’t often nowadays), many commands have been ported to 32bit and 64bit or alternative commands exist.

The following article is a good summary of what’s been happening through various Windows versions, and you’ll see something similar for every other OS… 16bit is too removed from 65bit to preserve any kind of compatibility, so you need to install specific components to support 16bit if that’s what you want to do. That said, AFAIK DOS filesystem support exists natively in the Linux kernel so it’s likely easier to deploy a full DOS system on Linux than on MSWindows.

But, real mode DOS support should not be a requirement for a bootdisk… I’m pretty sure MSWindows creates a 32bit USB boot dongle which should be nearly universally supported by both legacy BIOS and UEFI (unless you’re talking about a system prior to… 1998?). Whether a hardware Floppy exists on the system might be an indication whether 16bit might be recommended or required.



Kudos for linux. She often complained when I had her use linux to recover what windows had done with her stuff. Now that she has used windows 10, “Wow we need to get my other machine going with linux it was fast but difficult to learn”.

I am not advocating a return to DOS but what I am saying is with the progression in the MS environment vital programs were dropped along the way. Programs that gave the users power. In the Linux and unix realm their CLI provides the tools and in fact for any typical process there are 100’s of ways to achieve results. As we migrate to faster more complex architectures the tools also migrate to keep on going. Old tools meant for 16bit became tools meant for 32bit etc. While some tools did disapear others took their place often with more features. But what I have noticed is that at times kernel support for old devices has been dropped. I remember having issue with redhat 7 dropping cci imaging from the kernel as of redhat 8 where they went from cci/ccd to only ccd. This meant my cci scanner became a paper weight. I could recompile the kernel to solve the issue but lacked the time and knowledge about how threads work to attempt.

From the first post in this thread - “with the stuff from redmund you know what you are getting. Basically an OS that may or may not work with your hardware, full of buggs that never get really fixed (gg in bugs is intentional)…” ; My response - this is nonsense, complete nonsense. Every retailer grade PC sold today is sold with a Windows license and is bought with this licensed copy pre-loaded. I’d say 99.99% of all third-party hardware add-ons are also assumed to work with windows in the developmental concept of the product. Spreading lies about Windows 10 does not make one a more savvy tech user, nor a more loyal fan of open-source and Linux.

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