OpenSUSE Leap for a non-computer-savvy family member?

@sfalken Actually that is something that I didn’t think about. I wonder if Kalpa would be a better fit given the immutable nature of the distribution instead of Leap.

Frankly, my family member did say to me that all he wants is to turn the computer on and access his stuff. He doesn’t care what the GUI is as long as he can use it.

Probably as that’s the way is is supposed to work. Just looks like it might be a bit tricky / fiddly to install & the PC has to meet various standards & it is still alpha or a release candidate kind of thing, but I’m sure sfalken can advise.

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I wouldn’t do it right now for somebody that, in particular, isn’t linux savvy. I’d wait for me to announce beta.

To be clear, the current “Alpha” is perfectly cromulent, and there’s plenty of people using it, and have been since I announced Kalpa as an independent project, but there’s going to be some changes coming in the Beta, that might require manual intervention for existing installations.

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IMHO, install Leap rather than tumbleweed. There is a steady stream of postings here saying “I just updated tumbleweed and lost my audio/video/mouse/keyboard/network/internet/…” Not what you’re looking for in a stable system.
I’ve never understood what problem tumbleweed users are solving. What can they do in tumbleweed that they cannot do in Leap? At least they give developers a large pool of testers to find bugs.

For instance if you are a developer you are building and testing stuff for the next version (of Leap or whatever your target) and you likely need the latest tool chain or libraries that may not be available in Leap yet. Or you are a professional in sound/graphics/photo/media or simply a gamer and that little edge from a newer kernel or library or application might save your day.
Or you simply bought a new laptop that is too new for the Leap kernel to be able to drive all its newest features.

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@sfalken , Understood, thank you. My family member is definitely not Linux savvy.

@crmrhm , Absolutely, my plan was to install Leap to give him a stable system that changes very little.

For me, I like Tumbleweed, but I also like having the latest versions of desktop environments (KDE Plasma in my case now) and applications, but I also keep backups, I have BTRFS with Snapper enabled, and I’ve set myself up in such a way that I have very minimal downtime if I absolutely need to reinstall the OS.

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@OrsoBruno I definitely understand that. In my case, I guess I can be called a “Linux enthusiast” because I enjoy what new things have to offer, but I also know what I’m doing such that I can recover if things go wrong.

If more Windows users were left with Leap for 1 week with a 10 minute tutorial on how to check email and launch their browsers and local videos, they’d be set and probably never look back. Your family member is lucky to have you though for help if needed.

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I’ve never understood what problem tumbleweed users are solving.

For me using Tumbleweed solves the problem of having to upgrade / reinstall every 2 years to the latest release. Plenty of post on here recently about Leap 16 & things not working or being different after upgrade etc.

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Agreed and thank you. Yes, I wish there was some means of letting people know about Leap, or at least Linux, that are not tech-savvy but hate “using the computer” (i.e., using Windows). I have some co-workers who hate “using the computer” but had no idea that people can use different operating systems besides what’s already on it (i.e., Windows).

Edge? :scream: I don’t want to imagine browsing the internet without U-block Origin or what’s built into Brave.

While possibly too technical for him to appreciate in practice, Leap is perfect for people that “hate updates”, because it separates system patches (zypper lp / zypper patch) from all possible updates (zypper lu / zypper up).

Just look around, the majority of the world is kept on a leash of the Big Tech; Android is Linux based and open source and free to use, but Google does the management. And rest (applications like Whatsapp) is ruled by the rest of the big tech bros or even worse.
Windows not much different although in addition closed-source. All so easy and pre-installed, you can leave a shop with your just bought new smartphone calling your friends that it is great. But of course already hooked up then. Young kids already, as ‘social media’ is everywhere. Also now Chrome is available for Aarch64 desktop Linux, so think about that.

People want to buy new stuff, they click on ads and the next day they have their Windows computer running at home, connected to their (or ISP owned) modem/router so there it goes again. I had such a case with Windows8. In the shop a free upgrade/install from the base Windows7 was offered (sticker with serial install string on the keyboard, you know how it works) so then try to operate that with VNC for example via a 512kbps DSL line, desktop tiles flipping left and right when mouse hits the edges… You feel pretty helpless then trying to help… At least I managed to get Thunderbird installed, mostly because the Outlook Express on previous WindowsXP was a better fit than the Windows8 email app. And also got rid of the tiles shifting/moving I think, but that was it. I kept a PC with SuSE Linux running 24/7 with some Samba export with various backup/read-only files, so when trouble and away from home, I could instruct via telephone where to click in Windows8 (the Samba share). So a bit like what someone wrote earlier with a VM icon.

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My wife is a non-computer-savvy family member happily using Leap 16.0 and Plasma desktop. She uses Google Chrome browser, some Google Workspace, and happily prints and works without excessive popups and Windows bloat.

@dvosburg173 Perfect, I’m glad it worked out for her and is good to know. The number of good opinions for openSUSE Leap with a non-tech savvy user makes me happy in my choice for recommending it to my family member.

@malcolmlewis I decided to give it a shot and install openSUSE Leap Micro from the openSUSE Leap 16 installation media I burned (from what I understand, the media allows the user to install either Leap 16 or Leap Micro) on my Intel-based Mac. However, I got the error: Your Firefox profile cannot be loaded. It may be missing or inaccessible.

Then it won’t let me proceed past that message box to the Agama installer.

I did check the sha512 checksum and it was valid, so I’m pretty certain it’s not a bad ISO image.

I don’t know about your installer issue, but if you’re trying to test drive and/or provide a desktop, Leap Micro is not what you want.

It doesn’t provide one.

@sfalken No, I was not trying to install a desktop. My goal for repurposing my old Mac was to have a server environment, to try and learn containers.

It’s something I’ve wanted to get into and see how containers can benefit me. Also my friends have been talking about using containers a bit and I want to be “in the loop.”

Nonetheless, thank you for letting me know.

Use the dedicated Leap Micro 6.2 ISO…

You may need to add nomodeset to the boot options since it has an nvidia GPU…

Or login from a remote client via https://agama.local even if on the MacBook you don’t see anything…