I am very curious on what the forum thinks about this as I am intrigued.
After all recently I did try openSUSE again and it still failed to do what I needed it to so this brings me new hope for the distro and what it can do for me.
Having a new rolling distro is something I think openSUSE needed to be honest.
For me the only thing holding me back from trying it is that kde is my preferred desktop and with KDSE5 in the works I dont want it creeping in to break things.
Its the main reason why I am avoiding KDE in arch and debian sid, thus just sticking to cinnamon or XFCE for now (No gnome shell)
KDE4 is the default desktop in Factory, and it will be the default desktop in 13.2 as well.
Nothing from “KDE5” will be creeping in, as those are completely independent packages that cannot even be co-installed with KDE4, i.e. installing plasma5-desktop will remove kdebase4-desktop.
They are contained in Factory though, so you can manually install Plasma 5 if you want to and use it instead of KDE4 (with KDE4 applications of course, as most are not released yet as KF5 versions, and won’t be for quite some time).
But as long as KDE4 is in Factory (well, it might get dropped in some years time, who knows? But then, even KDE3 is still included), your system should not be switched to Plasma 5 automatically.
One thing though:
The next KDE release after 4.14 (to be released in December) will include some KF5 applications (but KDE4’s desktop). I have no idea what this will mean exactly for Factory (or KDE:Current) then, but probably the same, i.e. selected few applications will be replaced by their KF5 versions.
But they should be stable and installing/using them instead of the KDE4 versions should not break anything. Actually the KDE4 versions will be unmaintained then, so using the KF5 versions is rather preferrable I’d say.
On 2014-08-06 10:36, Miuku wrote:
> I don’t know how long ago I suggested that openSUSE should switch to a
> rolling distribution method - I guess there were people who agreed with
> me after all
Notice that it is still factory, it is far from a stable (as in
everything always work) rolling distro.
What the do is apply a lot of automated tests to ensure that factory is
installable and runs, but there are many things that are undetected, or
simply not covered by those tests, and are published in a non-working state.
And no, there is not intention, as far as I know, to switch to a
rolling distribution method. Just to add a rolling release, with
factory. The standard releases stay.
Yes but the possibility of a new side distro coming out of this to make things easier and more stable is a huge possibility.
One can easily make something like a Manjaro or even a Ubuntu like distro out of this, using this as a base but stabilizing it for more everyday use.
Factory isn’t really a rolling distribution. It’s more of a rolling test platform. There will continue to be regular stable releases, derived from factory snapshots.
I’m using factory, and it is mostly good.
I may be wrong, but I think flash is out of date (doesn’t have the latest security update). This is because factory is mainly concerned with open source software, which flash isn’t.
Akregator crashes whenever I shut it down. This is probably harmless, but technically a bug. Konqueror, rekonq and several others can’t play Vimeo videos (which still work fine with firefox). Perhaps I’m missing a packman package.
These are the kind of limitations one expects in a test platform.
> I may be wrong, but I think flash is out of date (doesn’t have the
> latest security update). This is because factory is mainly concerned
> with open source software, which flash isn’t.
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:12:28 +0200
From: Stephan Kulow <...@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Are we missing a “flash” update?
Am 02.08.2014 um 15:58 schrieb Neil Rickert:
> It looks to me as if factory never received the latest security update
> for “flash”.
That might be. With the way we test and publish factory, we never
actually publish the non-oss repo. Need to have a look.
I see this topic being accepted with enthusiasm all over the www. My question, as a non-tech person to you is, what does that mean for openSUSE? More thoroughly tested distro? Better quality/stability?
On 2014-08-07 11:46, holden87 wrote:
> I see this topic being accepted with enthusiasm all over the www. My
> question, as a non-tech person to you is, what does that mean for
> openSUSE? More thoroughly tested distro? Better quality/stability?
The primary goal of the recent changes is, as I see it, easing the load
and procedures on the people doing it.
The “more testing” means that there are more automated tests and more
consistently applied. Whatever is not covered by those automated tests
needs to be tested by human volunteers, as always.
It is still factory, things are expected to break. IMNSHO
KDE is my prime desktop too… I also use XFCE on another machine.
I am a newbie to linux, only using it for the past year. However, I am on the factory repos and everything is going without a hitch. I think the people working on this are really checking everything works before making available on Factory. I’ve been running both desktops using Factory for close to 3 months. My machine running KDE also has NVIDIA proprietary drivers, yet I have no problem with that as DKMS is active. The new kernels work with the drivers consistently.
I don’t see any reason not to continue. In fact, my computers work better than ever.
That’s my two cents worth, anyway
Just for clarity’s sake. I have XFCE4.10 with 4.11 updates PLUS KDE on a 4 year old machine with i7 processor and 8 gig of RAM
then: XFCE4.10 running on a 7 year old laptop computer with 2 GB RAM and dual core processor (original on machine). XFCE4 uses KWIN as window manager on this machine to avail of openGL features.
Both run nicely. I do graphic design and audio recording on both machines using external devices attached with USB2 and Firewire.
I do believe this is possible because of openSUSE and the efforts of the teams involved… I have tried using Arch and other distros but couldn’t achieve this level of performance. Even KDE runs super fast. YAST is a very good tool and zypper works wonders (if the repositories are set up correctly.
On 2014-09-09 07:26, wolfi323 wrote:
> robin_listas;2657957 Wrote:
>> On 2014-08-06 15:06, nrickert wrote:
>>> I may be wrong, but I think flash is out of date (doesn’t have the
>>> latest security update). This is because factory is mainly concerned
>>> with open source software, which flash isn’t.
>> Absolutely correct.
> No, that’s not true any more.
> The Factory non-oss repo does contain the latest flash-player version
> (22.214.171.1240) since August 30th (at least that’s the modification date
> of the rpm file in the repo).
> See e.g.: http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/non-oss/suse/x86_64/
It took them at least a month to do it, then…
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
In the process as in running the install as you type?
This might be too late, but I’ve been running factory for a few days and it seems as stable as plain 13.1. The only problem I potentially see is that openSUSE doesn’t have the user base or support in place for something like factory. So, just as when I would update to the latest kernel or use a newer version of gnome that wasn’t shipped with 13.1, I just use the archlinux forum and wiki whenever I have issues.