I think openSUSE developers efforts has been fragmented because of lacking focus in one Desktop Environment.
I think developing an independent and community driven linux distro such as openSUSE and trying releasing that with more than one DE such as KDE, Gnome, … cause to some problems such as fragmenting developers effort and some times delay in releasing distro (openSUSE 12.2 delays).
most of people out of this forum advise their friends to use openSUSE if they want a sweat KDE experience. it shows that openSUSE reputation is about it’s integrity and focus on KDE. nobody advise his/her friend to use openSUSE with Gnome or XFCE or … (all of these DEs are OK but openSUSE users usually use KDE and think openSUSE with KDE is the best).
i want to suggest openSUSE developers to only focus on KDE. they could make an excellent distro with one DE instead of make **a good distro **with 2 avasilable DE.
and for users that may want to try other DEs, they could use suse studio.
i think it would be very useful to start a Poll about this suggestion.
If you want to talk to the developers, you need to go to the place where
the developers discuss things, like the openSUSE mailing lists or IRC.
It is IMHO a bit useless to post it at a place where the majority of
your intended audience is not present and instead just other users.
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Am 28.08.2012 15:26, schrieb ilAli:
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> martin_helm;2482229 Wrote:
>> If you want to talk to the developers, you need to go to the place where
>> the developers discuss things, like the openSUSE mailing lists or IRC.
>> It is IMHO a bit useless to post it at a place where the majority of
>> your intended audience is not present and instead just other users.
> Thank you for your advise. how can i find mailing lists or IRCs?
>
> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists
Look at the Development lists, I guess (it is not more than a guess)
that for your kind of discussion the opensuse-project@opensuse.org list
is the right one, I am myself not a openSUSE developer so I cannot be sure.
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PC: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.8.4 | GeForce GT 420
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.1 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.8.5 | HD 3000
eCAFE 800: oS 12.1 i586 | AMD Geode LX 800@500MHz | 512MB | KDE 3.5.10
On 08/28/2012 12:36 PM, ilAli wrote:
> they could
> makean excellent distro with one DE instead of make *a good distro
> *with 2 avasilable DE.
but, the devs already make an excellent distro with many desktop
environments and windows managers ready to roll at initial install or easily available via installation with YaST, etc:
*Mandriva has decided to focus his efforts on one user environment (KDE). We put all our efforts in having many improvements (all open source) on the usual linux desktop experience.
*It is directly visible with a new graphical design, a new main program start menu (SimpleWelcome), an improved taskbar (RocketBar) that includes fast directory access applets (StackFolder). An effort of graphical integration of all types of applications (gnome and kde) has been done. There are no graphical differences between Gnome and KDE applications.
and with my experience, mandriva 11 is faster and more stable than openSUSE 12.1. i think it is because of focusing on one DE and trying to make it better instead of expanding the work and trying to make everything.
> i want to suggest openSUSE developers to only focus on KDE. they could
> make an excellent distro with one DE instead of make *a good distro
> *with 2 avasilable DE.
As others pointed out, there are many DEs available, and all of them are
good.
One of the goals of the project, though (and one of the guiding
principles) is to recognize that not everyone works the same way, and
that choice is an important piece of what the project is about.
There’s nothing, though, that prevents someone who wants to focus on a
single DE from creating a derivative distribution that focuses heavily on
one DE or another.
On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:12:55 +0000, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:36:02 +0000, ilAli wrote:
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>> i want to suggest openSUSE developers to only focus on KDE. they could
>> make an excellent distro with one DE instead of make *a good distro
>> *with 2 avasilable DE.
>
> As others pointed out, there are many DEs available, and all of them are
> good.
>
> One of the goals of the project, though (and one of the guiding
> principles) is to recognize that not everyone works the same way, and
> that choice is an important piece of what the project is about.
>
> There’s nothing, though, that prevents someone who wants to focus on a
> single DE from creating a derivative distribution that focuses heavily
> on one DE or another.
Just one other thing to add as well - it’s always a good idea when making
suggestions to have a good idea as to how/why things are the way they
are. When suggesting improvements, it’s necessary to have that
understanding.
That’s not to say that one should never make suggestions about how to
improve things - but if a decision has already gone through a long
discussion (as this one did several years ago), ‘re-litigating’ the
decision isn’t always a good way to get attention.
Understanding how we got where we are is an important part of making an
effective suggestion.
I’m a KDE user. There’s a lot that I like about KDE.
However, if opensuse were to become KDE only, then I would switch to a different distro. Part of what I like about opensuse, is that I can try other stuff out.
openSUSE is not Mandriva. Mandriva has been struggling due to limited resources, and this is a practical move for them. Choice is a strength for openSUSE, and if it were to drop support for the many DEs it offers now, it would risk a sharp drop in users. Read these forums: People are using KDE, Gnome, LXDE, XFCE, and support is very good for all of them, better than most distros focused on a single DE. Why drop a good thing?
and with my experience, mandriva 11 is faster and more stable than openSUSE 12.1. i think it is because of focusing on one DE and trying to make it better instead of expanding the work and trying to make everything.
Even if this was not just your opinion; It also does not make sense. All Mandriva is doing is applying a lot of changes possibly not being given back to upstream KDE. Faster is subjective and for all I know just means “Firefox opens faster” or some such nonsense. Stable is not a correct or even useful description for an operating system comparison.
But with recent problems with openSUSE project (i mean delays) it seems that openSUSE has not sufficient resources too.
for example, firefox 15 is available today, but when it will be available in openSUSE official repository? i think it takes 2-3 weeks time to introduce ff15 in openSUSE 12.1. do you disagree with me about this?
this event shows that maybe such as mandriva, openSUSE also doesn’t have enough resources.
Am 29.08.2012 09:46, schrieb ilAli:
> for example, firefox 15 is available today, but when it will be
> available in openSUSE official repository? i think it takes 2-3
> weeks time to introduce ff15 in openSUSE 12.1. do you disagree with
> me about this?
That has nothing to do with resources, if you want new FF versions
earlier add the openSUSE mozilla repository, it ends up in the official
repository later due to testing.
It makes absolutely no sense to add a new version of a software the day
it was released upstream.
In fact if that would be the policy of openSUSE I would not use it at all.
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PC: oS 12.2 x86_64 | i7-2600@3.40GHz | 16GB | KDE 4.8.4 | GeForce GT 420
ThinkPad E320: oS 12.1 x86_64 | i3@2.30GHz | 8GB | KDE 4.8.5 | HD 3000
eCAFE 800: oS 12.1 i586 | AMD Geode LX 800@500MHz | 512MB | KDE 3.5.10
ubuntu also test packages before adding them to it’s repository; but ubuntu add them to it’s official repository faster than openSUSE.
and another thing: i like openSUSE and i don’t have any doubt about great work of openSUSE developers and it’s community.
i am just trying to share my opinion with other users.
