On Tue, 26 May 2015 02:26:01 +0000, JohnVV wrote:
> i DO expect that a program that uses a major and minor number to well
> stick to it
Windows 2.x, Windows 3.x, Windows 95, Windows 2000, Windows 2003, Windows
2010, Windows 2012, Windows 7, Windows 8, …
Just a minor software product.
Jim
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… no, possibly openSUSE XP.
Actually, both are quite well-known throughout North America, at least.
On 2015-05-26 07:42, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 26 May 2015 02:18:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> Ah, ok.
>>
>> Actually, I had researched what 42 was before writing the previous post.
>> And having to research for a joke breaks it.
>
> Read the books - seriously, they’re very good books, and while most humour
> isn’t universal, this reference is a VERY geeky reference.
I’ll try.
I’m familiar with its existence only because some paragraphs included in
“fortune”.
…]
The trilogy is 28.79€. The first book is 7.25€. I have requested a
preview. I’ll get it when I power up my kobo.
> The fact that SUSE referenced this in its initial incarnation - first
> version was “4.2” and the first version of YaST was “0.42” - specifically
> as a reference to the Hitchhiker’s Guide - is something every openSUSE
> user should be aware of.
But we aren’t…
> But for those who don’t get the references, it’s also important to
> understand that version numbers have /no/ intrinsic meaning. They’re a
> number that denotes a difference from what came before it - a way of
> marking, in a source code tree, that “this is a release”.
>
> That’s all they denote. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yes, I agree with that.
What I do not agree with is deciding this without a vote, by those who
do it only, because the current number scheme was decided in a vote
years ago. IMO, anything that was decided in a vote has to be demoted by
another vote.
> So to get all wrapped up in “we need to tie to SLE releases” or “we need
> an order that makes sense” misses what release numbers actually mean.
>
> And yes, I understand “marketing” often controls release numbers. But
> rather than kowtow to marketing schedules and messages, this is a chance
> to say to the user base “that number you think is important? It isn’t,
> it’s just a way of grouping together the stuff that goes into a release”.
Well… not a bad idea. I like that. But it will have to be /sold/ to
all 
:-p
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
Oh oh. I thought GIMF = Google Is My Friend. But the results are not nice at all. :sarcastic:
He’s pretty well-known in the U.S.; PBS started airing the show in the 1970s.
As for “42”, well, I guess if the next version of openSUSE is really the answer to life, the universe and everything, then there should be no need to ever upgrade it.
On Wed, 27 May 2015 04:18:05 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2015-05-26 07:42, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 May 2015 02:18:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, ok.
>>>
>>> Actually, I had researched what 42 was before writing the previous
>>> post.
>>> And having to research for a joke breaks it.
>>
>> Read the books - seriously, they’re very good books, and while most
>> humour isn’t universal, this reference is a VERY geeky reference.
>
> I’ll try.
>
> I’m familiar with its existence only because some paragraphs included in
> “fortune”.
>
> …]
>
> The trilogy is 28.79€. The first book is 7.25€. I have requested a
> preview. I’ll get it when I power up my kobo.
It’s worth it.
>> The fact that SUSE referenced this in its initial incarnation - first
>> version was “4.2” and the first version of YaST was “0.42” -
>> specifically as a reference to the Hitchhiker’s Guide - is something
>> every openSUSE user should be aware of.
>
> But we aren’t…
“should” be. Now you are aware, and your awareness is growing.
That’s how awareness works. You weren’t aware, now you are.
>> But for those who don’t get the references, it’s also important to
>> understand that version numbers have /no/ intrinsic meaning. They’re a
>> number that denotes a difference from what came before it - a way of
>> marking, in a source code tree, that “this is a release”.
>>
>> That’s all they denote. Nothing more, nothing less.
>
> Yes, I agree with that.
>
> What I do not agree with is deciding this without a vote, by those who
> do it only, because the current number scheme was decided in a vote
> years ago. IMO, anything that was decided in a vote has to be demoted by
> another vote.
IMHO, voting on this sort of thing is pointless. Let’s leave voting to
actual important issues with the distro.
Putting something like “what shall we call the release” to a vote just
makes people feel like they’re contributing. Rather than making people
feel like they’re contributing (when they’re just bikeshedding), let’s
get people actually involved in something meaningful for the project.
>> So to get all wrapped up in “we need to tie to SLE releases” or “we
>> need an order that makes sense” misses what release numbers actually
>> mean.
>>
>> And yes, I understand “marketing” often controls release numbers. But
>> rather than kowtow to marketing schedules and messages, this is a
>> chance to say to the user base “that number you think is important? It
>> isn’t, it’s just a way of grouping together the stuff that goes into a
>> release”.
>
> Well… not a bad idea. I like that. But it will have to be /sold/ to
> all :-p
I doubt people will stop using openSUSE because of a version number. If
they’re that fickle, they’re looking for a reason to move to a different
distro - and stability, package availability, YaST, or any other of the
excellent features of the distro aren’t important to them.
Jim
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On Wed, 27 May 2015 15:46:01 +0000, dimesio wrote:
> robin_listas;2711962 Wrote:
>>
>> Well, the doctor is mostly unknown outside of Britain.
> He’s pretty well-known in the U.S.; PBS started airing the show in the
> 1970s.
And here again, Carlos, you’re just simply wrong.
Doctor Who is extremely well-known on a global scale. Just because you
(and your friends) haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean that nobody
outside the UK has. m-/
There’s been a recent effort put forward by the BBC to locate some of the
early lost episodes - and they found some of them at a broadcast station
in Nigeria.
Now, if the guy who’s pretending to be a Nigerian prince who needs your
help to smuggle money out of the country has heard of Doctor Who, it
would seem that the “problem” here isn’t the universality of the
references, but your apparently rather sheltered life.
> As for “42”, well, I guess if the next version of openSUSE is really the
> answer to life, the universe and everything, then there should be no
> need to ever upgrade it.
Read the books or listen to the radio series, and you’ll understand the
joke. Seriously.
Jim
–
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
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On 2015-05-27 19:14, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 04:18:05 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> What I do not agree with is deciding this without a vote, by those who
>> do it only, because the current number scheme was decided in a vote
>> years ago. IMO, anything that was decided in a vote has to be demoted by
>> another vote.
>
> IMHO, voting on this sort of thing is pointless. Let’s leave voting to
> actual important issues with the distro.
No, for a reason: the current scheme was decided by a vote. No
individual or group has the right to nullify a vote.
As simple as that… a point of order or legality.
>> Well… not a bad idea. I like that. But it will have to be /sold/ to
>> all :-p
>
> I doubt people will stop using openSUSE because of a version number. If
> they’re that fickle, they’re looking for a reason to move to a different
> distro - and stability, package availability, YaST, or any other of the
> excellent features of the distro aren’t important to them.
No, I never said they’d go away.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
On 2015-05-27 19:18, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 15:46:01 +0000, dimesio wrote:
>
>> robin_listas;2711962 Wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, the doctor is mostly unknown outside of Britain.
>> He’s pretty well-known in the U.S.; PBS started airing the show in the
>> 1970s.
>
> And here again, Carlos, you’re just simply wrong.
>
> Doctor Who is extremely well-known on a global scale. Just because you
> (and your friends) haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean that nobody
> outside the UK has. m-/
No, I did not say I did not know about him. Actually I did, long ago.
But I can tell you that no TV channel has aired that serial in Spain,
except sporadically, or very recently (the 2005 version). I wanted to
watch the episodes, since I learned about them in 1976, and it was
impossible.
I’m not saying that the personage is unknown here. That’s a different thing.
> There’s been a recent effort put forward by the BBC to locate some of the
> early lost episodes - and they found some of them at a broadcast station
> in Nigeria.
>
> Now, if the guy who’s pretending to be a Nigerian prince who needs your
> help to smuggle money out of the country has heard of Doctor Who, it
> would seem that the “problem” here isn’t the universality of the
> references, but your apparently rather sheltered life.
Well, Nigeria was a British colony, so it stands to reason they still
have ties with Britain, cultural and otherwise.
But Spain is different. British humour is often not understood here.
There are several British serials I like and which I have been unable to
watch because no TV channels puts them. Sometimes I have hit upon jewels
aired at 3 AM, because they needed to fill the time, but they don’t air
the complete season, or they stop at the next.
Torchwood, for instance. Or Life on Mars. Or Ashes to ashes. Or The
Black Adder.
Have you read James Herriot books? I love them. They’d tried to air the
tv serial here, it was almost disastrous.
It is a different culture.
Doctor Who second serial, the 2005 one, is in Spain aired by Clan or
Boing (children channels), some local TVs, and sometimes by the cable
SciFi channel (they say, but at weird hours IIRC).
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
On Wed, 27 May 2015 19:48:05 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2015-05-27 19:14, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 04:18:05 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>
>>> What I do not agree with is deciding this without a vote, by those who
>>> do it only, because the current number scheme was decided in a vote
>>> years ago. IMO, anything that was decided in a vote has to be demoted
>>> by another vote.
>>
>> IMHO, voting on this sort of thing is pointless. Let’s leave voting to
>> actual important issues with the distro.
>
> No, for a reason: the current scheme was decided by a vote. No
> individual or group has the right to nullify a vote.
>
> As simple as that… a point of order or legality.
>
>
>>> Well… not a bad idea. I like that. But it will have to be /sold/ to
>>> all :-p
>>
>> I doubt people will stop using openSUSE because of a version number.
>> If they’re that fickle, they’re looking for a reason to move to a
>> different distro - and stability, package availability, YaST, or any
>> other of the excellent features of the distro aren’t important to them.
>
> No, I never said they’d go away.
Well, you seem to think that this is an uber-critical issue, Carlos.
As I said on the ML, I’m done arguing with you about this. It’s
pointless, and it’s stupid. The vote that was had about the current
version scheme was a non-binding vote, but you don’t seem to understand
or realize that - it started as a SurveyMonkey poll to see what people
might think. Less than 25% of the voting membership cared enough about
it to vote on it.
If you want to get hung up in procedure, that’s on you. The rest of us
have moved on.
Jim
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openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On Wed, 27 May 2015 20:15:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2015-05-27 19:18, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 May 2015 15:46:01 +0000, dimesio wrote:
>>
>>> robin_listas;2711962 Wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, the doctor is mostly unknown outside of Britain.
>>> He’s pretty well-known in the U.S.; PBS started airing the show in the
>>> 1970s.
>>
>> And here again, Carlos, you’re just simply wrong.
>>
>> Doctor Who is extremely well-known on a global scale. Just because you
>> (and your friends) haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean that nobody
>> outside the UK has. m-/
>
> No, I did not say I did not know about him. Actually I did, long ago.
> But I can tell you that no TV channel has aired that serial in Spain,
> except sporadically, or very recently (the 2005 version). I wanted to
> watch the episodes, since I learned about them in 1976, and it was
> impossible.
>
> I’m not saying that the personage is unknown here. That’s a different
> thing.
You said exactly what is in the first line of the quote above. That The
Doctor is mostly unknown outside Britain.
>> There’s been a recent effort put forward by the BBC to locate some of
>> the early lost episodes - and they found some of them at a broadcast
>> station in Nigeria.
>>
>> Now, if the guy who’s pretending to be a Nigerian prince who needs your
>> help to smuggle money out of the country has heard of Doctor Who, it
>> would seem that the “problem” here isn’t the universality of the
>> references, but your apparently rather sheltered life.
>
> Well, Nigeria was a British colony, so it stands to reason they still
> have ties with Britain, cultural and otherwise.
Nigeria is still Outside Britain. So is Ethiopia, where they found 106
other missing episodes.
> But Spain is different. British humour is often not understood here.
Well, maybe you just don’t understand it. Given your history with saying
“nobody in Spain knows x” and having people I know in Spain say that they
do know it, it seems that you conflate “I never heard of this” with
“nobody has heard of this”.
> There are several British serials I like and which I have been unable to
> watch because no TV channels puts them. Sometimes I have hit upon jewels
> aired at 3 AM, because they needed to fill the time, but they don’t air
> the complete season, or they stop at the next.
>
> Torchwood, for instance. Or Life on Mars. Or Ashes to ashes. Or The
> Black Adder.
>
> Have you read James Herriot books? I love them. They’d tried to air the
> tv serial here, it was almost disastrous.
>
>
> It is a different culture.
Of course Spain is a different culture. That’s not the point. The point
is that you conflate “I’ve never heard of this” with “nobody’s ever heard
of this”, and then you nitpick it to death.
I’ve got more important things to do than to argue with you about this or
about version numbers, so I’m out. You’ve been pointed at the cultural
references, and you’re now aware of them. You can stop arguing that you
don’t know about them, because you do.
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On 2015-05-27 23:40, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 19:48:05 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Well, you seem to think that this is an uber-critical issue, Carlos.
Yes, I do.
> As I said on the ML, I’m done arguing with you about this. It’s
> pointless, and it’s stupid. The vote that was had about the current
> version scheme was a non-binding vote, but you don’t seem to understand
> or realize that - it started as a SurveyMonkey poll to see what people
> might think. Less than 25% of the voting membership cared enough about
> it to vote on it.
I disagree, but never mind.
> If you want to get hung up in procedure, that’s on you. The rest of us
> have moved on.
No problem. As you wish.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
On 2015-05-27 23:45, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2015 20:15:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> You said exactly what is in the first line of the quote above. That The
> Doctor is mostly unknown outside Britain.
Ok, right. My mistake. Sorry.
>> But Spain is different. British humour is often not understood here.
>
> Well, maybe you just don’t understand it.
No, no. I do like British humour. I am the exception in my group of
friends, though.
> I’ve got more important things to do than to argue with you about this or
> about version numbers, so I’m out. You’ve been pointed at the cultural
> references, and you’re now aware of them. You can stop arguing that you
> don’t know about them, because you do.
As you wish. Sorry to have disturbed you.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
On 2015-05-27, Jim Henderson <hendersj@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com> wrote:
> <42>
> Read the books or listen to the radio series, and you’ll understand the
> joke. Seriously.
I think you can you can still buy the HHG2TG radio script, which for me was the best medium. The radio series was
wonderful. The TV series was okay, but I really didn’t like the (relatively) recent movie.
On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:12:26 GMT
flymail <flymail@no-mx.forums.microfocus.org> wrote:
> On 2015-05-27, Jim Henderson <hendersj@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com>
> wrote:
> > <42>
> > Read the books or listen to the radio series, and you’ll understand
> > the joke. Seriously.
>
> I think you can you can still buy the HHG2TG radio script, which for
> me was the best medium. The radio series was wonderful. The TV series
> was okay, but I really didn’t like the (relatively) recent movie.
>
The radio series are on Youtube, starting at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcZJgKcAw6k
I had trouble hearing the Vogons on this but that could be my system or
my ears. At least I missed the Vogon poetry.
I see they have the acronym as HHG2G; I’ll stick to H2G2.
–
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openSUSE Tumbleweed; KDE Plasma 5.3.1; Kernel: 4.0.4;
Processor: AMD Phenom II X2 550; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using
nouveau driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:12:26 +0000, flymail wrote:
> On 2015-05-27, Jim Henderson <hendersj@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com>
> wrote:
>> <42>
>> Read the books or listen to the radio series, and you’ll understand the
>> joke. Seriously.
>
> I think you can you can still buy the HHG2TG radio script, which for me
> was the best medium. The radio series was wonderful. The TV series was
> okay, but I really didn’t like the (relatively) recent movie.
In my opinion, the radio versions are the best versions out there. They
were the first - and yes, the scripts are available for sale (though they
don’t match the broadcast version - or the current recordings that are
available, which edit out a few bits due to music licensing issues in the
Primary Phase).
I have both “dead tree” copies of the scripts as well as electronic
copies that I purchased for my ereader, and generally listen to the
entire radio series once or twice a year.
The movie has some interesting new material that Adams wrote (or had a
hand in writing), but it’s my least favourite version. My preference is:
The radio series captures the story the best, because (as Adams put it),
radio (or audio) is the most visual medium there is.
You might say that I’m just a bit of a fan. I’m always finding new
things in the story, and I’ve been reading and listening to it for 30-ish
years now.
And yeah, I know where my (signed) towel is. Because I’m a hoopy
frood.
Jim
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On Thu, 28 May 2015 10:45:43 +0000, Graham P Davis wrote:
> On Thu, 28 May 2015 09:12:26 GMT flymail
> <flymail@no-mx.forums.microfocus.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-05-27, Jim Henderson <hendersj@no-mx.forums.microfocus.com>
>> wrote:
>> > <42>
>> > Read the books or listen to the radio series, and you’ll understand
>> > the joke. Seriously.
>>
>> I think you can you can still buy the HHG2TG radio script, which for me
>> was the best medium. The radio series was wonderful. The TV series was
>> okay, but I really didn’t like the (relatively) recent movie.
>>
>>
> The radio series are on Youtube, starting at
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcZJgKcAw6k I had trouble hearing the
> Vogons on this but that could be my system or my ears. At least I missed
> the Vogon poetry.
>
> I see they have the acronym as HHG2G; I’ll stick to H2G2.
Yeah, H2G2 is the more or less ‘official’ abbreviation.
Jim
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Sooo… Adams settled with five books in his trilogy about hitch-hiking manuals… Nice 
And what versionnumber of oS… Mayby start counting down instead of telling up?
Almost summer here
That’s brilliant. No better visuals than one’s imagination.