YES, is memtest back in boot menu, missing that for a while, not needing it, but missing it rotfl!
When will be release plan released? 
They seem to be debating whether to call it “opensuse 42” or “opensuse 42.1” or somesuch.
There’s a long discussion thread in the factlry mailing list. You might want to read it. Or, alternative, go have some coffee or take a vacation or something until it settles out.
On 2015-05-25 17:46, nrickert wrote:
>
> hlavki;2711917 Wrote:
>> When will be release plan released?
>
> They seem to be debating whether to call it “opensuse 42” or “opensuse
> 42.1” or somesuch.
Some say that they have decided to call it 42, disregarding what the
community may say or not. Others say that it is only a working name, not
the final name.
Also, they have more or less decided to base the next release on the
SLES release, with additions from tumbleweed, instead of basing it on
Tumbleweed.
When, and exactly how, is unknown.
Ah, and the mail list has broken down minutes ago. It is impossible to
mail the “owner”, it bounces too.
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Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))
I hope so, Hitchhiker’s Guide notwithstanding (great books, by the way, at least the first two or so).
I’d be at a loss if someone asked me why oS went from 13.2 to 42.whatever.
It does give the impression of lack of direction or purpose, unprofessional. Someone would surely ask what it will be a couple of years from now, version BBW¹? :\
¹Big Bad Wolf, from Doctor Who 2005 (or Red Riding Hood, if you prefer).
On 2015-05-25 20:56, brunomcl wrote:
>
> robin_listas;2711935 Wrote:
>> Others say that it is only a working name, not
>> the final name.
>
> I hope so, Hitchhiker’s Guide notwithstanding (great books, by the way,
> at least the first two or so).
>
> I’d be at a loss if someone asked me why oS went from 13.2 to
> 42.whatever.
> It does give the impression of lack of direction or purpose,
> unprofessional. Someone would surely ask what it will be a couple of
> years from now, version BBW¹? :
>
> ¹-Big Bad Wolf, from Doctor Who 2005 (or Red Riding Hood, if
> you prefer).-
Well, the doctor is mostly unknown outside of Britain. I knew of the
series because I visited Britain long ago, but only the recent version
of the series is aired in a children/youth channel via cable. That in
Spain. I don’t know other countries.
And similar thing for the Hitchhiker. I have no idea how widely known it
is. I only know it by reference. I don’t have clear if it is SciFi or
something else. So any reference to “42” is lost on me.
I would rather prefer the version numbers to be related (at a glance) to
the SLES version on which the release is based; that would indicate
something practical.
And anyway, as the current number scheme was decided by a vote, any
change of the scheme should be decided by another vote, not by a group,
regardless of how important that group is.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))
It was some time ago I write… Now madness in version numbers? Attach a picture of a healthy 10-mounth Polar puppy.
http://www.jodo.nu/pic/pic2/Todd-Chicka_2.jpg
“Do not write in the forum If you want to change”. Use…lists instead. Why the picture? He was gently nudging the birdcage and was watching for reactions. He had several larger relatives there. I questioning this latest, -numbering drive. Well thanks to whoever when I should explain/sell the jump from 3.Xn to 4.Xn to implement. Common kernel with SLE?
regards
On Mon 25 May 2015 07:24:06 PM CDT, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-05-25 20:56, brunomcl wrote:
>
> robin_listas;2711935 Wrote:
>> Others say that it is only a working name, not
>> the final name.
>
> I hope so, Hitchhiker’s Guide notwithstanding (great books, by the
> way, at least the first two or so).
>
> I’d be at a loss if someone asked me why oS went from 13.2 to
> 42.whatever.
> It does give the impression of lack of direction or purpose,
> unprofessional. Someone would surely ask what it will be a couple of
> years from now, version BBW¹? :
>
> ¹-Big Bad Wolf, from Doctor Who 2005 (or Red Riding Hood, if
> you prefer).-
Well, the doctor is mostly unknown outside of Britain. I knew of the
series because I visited Britain long ago, but only the recent version
of the series is aired in a children/youth channel via cable. That in
Spain. I don’t know other countries.
And similar thing for the Hitchhiker. I have no idea how widely known it
is. I only know it by reference. I don’t have clear if it is SciFi or
something else. So any reference to “42” is lost on me.
I would rather prefer the version numbers to be related (at a glance) to
the SLES version on which the release is based; that would indicate
something practical.
And anyway, as the current number scheme was decided by a vote, any
change of the scheme should be decided by another vote, not by a group,
regardless of how important that group is.
Hi
AFAIK it is decided by a group and a vote, those with openSUSE
membership and if/when it’s put to a vote…
A version number at the end of the day means squat, many fixes are
backported for packages, but the major version doesn’t change. For me
the changelogs provide far information that any version number…
To me it’s just a point in time where the folks involved in the release
say “openSUSE xxx is good to go” branch it, let it build and release…
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On Mon, 25 May 2015 19:24:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> And similar thing for the Hitchhiker. I have no idea how widely known it
> is. I only know it by reference. I don’t have clear if it is SciFi or
> something else. So any reference to “42” is lost on me.
GIYF. 
Happy Towel Day, BTW.
Jim
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Unless they star counting backwards, or using imaginary numbers - Apple probably already patented it. 
But really, 42 because it’s SLE’s 12 plus 30? WTF??? :sarcastic:
I was going to ask what was that, but then GIMF. 
On 2015-05-25 23:48, malcolmlewis wrote:
> Hi
> AFAIK it is decided by a group and a vote, those with openSUSE
> membership and if/when it’s put to a vote…
I happen to be a member.
The last time the vote was open to everybody, on the first round. The
second round it was only for members.
This time they said there was not to be any vote.
> A version number at the end of the day means squat, many fixes are
> backported for packages, but the major version doesn’t change. For me
> the changelogs provide far information that any version number…
The number itself is irrelevant, as long as people can relate the
number… er… I got lost. What was I going to say…? I mean, if
somebody comes here and asks a question saying he has 11.4, you get a
rough idea of the characteristics of what he has, or not.
Having numbers like 11.4 or 13.1 makes people think that the major.minor
numbers have a meaning. They don’t. They could be any thing, like 120,
121, 122, 123… But it was voted the way it currently is.
> To me it’s just a point in time where the folks involved in the release
> say “openSUSE xxx is good to go” branch it, let it build and release…
Not this time.
The next openSUSE release is based on SLES 12, not on tumbleweed. There
is already a pre-alpha.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))
On 2015-05-26 03:26, brunomcl wrote:
> malcolmlewis;2711982 Wrote:
>> A version number at the end of the day means squat
>
> Unless they star counting backwards, or using imaginary numbers - Apple
> probably already patented it.
ROTFL!
> But really, 42 because it’s SLE’s 12 plus 30? WTF??? :sarcastic:
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))
Having numbers like 11.4 or 13.1 makes people think that the major.minor
numbers have a meaning. They don’t. They could be any thing, like 120,
121, 122, 123… But it was voted the way it currently is.
how true
i DO expect that a program that uses a major and minor number to well
stick to it
along the lines of RHEL 6.1, 6.2,6.3 and so on
or
Gimp 2.8.0 , 2.8.2 , 2.8.4 — 2.8.14
( development 2.9)
On 2015-05-26 02:07, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 25 May 2015 19:24:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> And similar thing for the Hitchhiker. I have no idea how widely known it
>> is. I only know it by reference. I don’t have clear if it is SciFi or
>> something else. So any reference to “42” is lost on me.
>
> GIYF. 
cer@minas-tirith:~> wtf GIYF
wtf, I don't know what GIYF means!
cer@minas-tirith:~>
Ok, let’s try google…
About 163,000 results (0.24 seconds)
Search Results
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www.giyf.com/
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before asking a question. Now someone is tired of answering stupid
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"GIYF" is often given as curt response to a question that perhaps should
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several ...
GIYF - Wiktionary
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Ah, ok.
Actually, I had researched what 42 was before writing the previous post.
And having to research for a joke breaks it.
Happy Towel Day, BTW.
And what is that, pray? Ok, I’ll gugle it.
Towel Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towel_Day
Towel Day is celebrated every year on 25 May as a tribute to the author
Douglas Adams by his fans. On this day, fans carry a towel with them, as
described in ...
Oh, well. I have not seen anybody around here carrying a towel, unless
on the beach.
As I say, those references are not universal.
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))
On 2015-05-26 03:26, brunomcl wrote:
>
> hendersj;2712003 Wrote:
>> Happy Towel Day, BTW.
>
> I was going to ask what was that, but then GIMF.
If I google that one, I don’t get what you’d expect >:-P
–
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))
On Tue, 26 May 2015 02:18:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Ah, ok.
>
> Actually, I had researched what 42 was before writing the previous post.
> And having to research for a joke breaks it.
Read the books - seriously, they’re very good books, and while most humour
isn’t universal, this reference is a VERY geeky reference.
The fact that SUSE referenced this in its initial incarnation - first
version was “4.2” and the first version of YaST was “0.42” - specifically
as a reference to the Hitchhiker’s Guide - is something every openSUSE
user should be aware of.
>> Happy Towel Day, BTW.
>
> And what is that, pray? Ok, I’ll gugle it.
>
>
> Towel Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towel_Day Towel Day is celebrated every year on 25
> May as a tribute to the author Douglas Adams by his fans. On this day,
> fans carry a towel with them, as described in ...
>
>
>
> Oh, well. I have not seen anybody around here carrying a towel, unless
> on the beach.
>
> As I say, those references are not universal.
As I said, read the books. They are extremely popular in geek culture
around the world - yes, globally. My younger brother found copies in
Japanese in Japan, and they’re fairly popular there.
But for those who don’t get the references, it’s also important to
understand that version numbers have /no/ intrinsic meaning. They’re a
number that denotes a difference from what came before it - a way of
marking, in a source code tree, that “this is a release”.
That’s all they denote. Nothing more, nothing less.
So to get all wrapped up in “we need to tie to SLE releases” or “we need
an order that makes sense” misses what release numbers actually mean.
And yes, I understand “marketing” often controls release numbers. But
rather than kowtow to marketing schedules and messages, this is a chance
to say to the user base “that number you think is important? It isn’t,
it’s just a way of grouping together the stuff that goes into a release”.
Jim
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On Tue, 26 May 2015 01:26:07 +0000, brunomcl wrote:
> hendersj;2712003 Wrote:
>> Happy Towel Day, BTW.
>
> I was going to ask what was that, but then GIMF.
Jim
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On Tue, 26 May 2015 01:26:07 +0000, brunomcl wrote:
> malcolmlewis;2711982 Wrote:
>> A version number at the end of the day means squat
>
> Unless they star counting backwards, or using imaginary numbers - Apple
> probably already patented it.
> But really, 42 because it’s SLE’s 12 plus 30? WTF??? :sarcastic:
42 = “The Answer”, and is a call out to The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the
Galaxy (or HT2G2, where “The Answer” comes from), and as I wrote
elsewhere, a nod to the initial SUSE release - 4.2, and the initial YaST
release - 0.42. Both of which were nods to H2G2.
I would encourage all geeks (and geekos) everywhere to become familiar
with the series - if only because it really is terribly good.
Jim
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openSUSE Forums Administrator
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On Tue, 26 May 2015 01:26:07 +0000, brunomcl wrote:
> malcolmlewis;2711982 Wrote:
>> A version number at the end of the day means squat
>
> Unless they star counting backwards, or using imaginary numbers - Apple
> probably already patented it.
> But really, 42 because it’s SLE’s 12 plus 30? WTF??? :sarcastic:
BTW, have a look at the version numbers for TeX. Or MetaFont.
42 not because it’s SLE 12+30, 42 because it’s “The Answer” and that
happens to coincide with a round number being added to the SLE release
version.
Jim
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